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Post by mastershakedude on Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:50 pm

if your using ZBF2L please give me a good site on learning it


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Re: Anyone using ZBF2L here?

Post by Jricle on Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:01 pm

dude, why don't u use CFOP? or just try this site... www.cubestation.co.uk

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Re: Anyone using ZBF2L here?

Post by iruel117 on Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:20 pm

dude are you ok thats too much algorithms but iwant to learn it though maybe when im a college graduate pero mag CFOP KA MUNA dahil masyado kang nagmamadali

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Re: Anyone using ZBF2L here?

Post by Brian Nicole Uy on Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:36 pm

Okay okay. I talked to Craig Brouchard, one of the top speedcubers, about ZBF2L. He told me that he had a friend who has been practicing ZBF2L for a year already and already completely know all the formulae of ZBF2L, but that friend of his still takes about one minute to decide for which formulae to use. So we have a concrete evidence that ZBF2L is not an efficient method for speedcubing for it takes too much "looking" and it is impossible to decide one out of 1200 plus algorithms(last layer alone) in less than 0.3 seconds unlike in the Fridich or other method.

Well, anyway:
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Re: Anyone using ZBF2L here?

Post by cubecubecube on Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:33 pm

petrus ka na lang.

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Re: Anyone using ZBF2L here?

Post by Jome on Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:50 pm

Ako. Four cases pa lang out of the 40+ important. Sometimes better than normal F2L, lalo na kapag maganda ang cross.

There are a lot of sites. Cubestation, SolvetheCube, etc. Just Google them up.

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Re: Anyone using ZBF2L here?

Post by benjediman on Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:13 pm

ZBF2L useful in FMC, though. Very Happy

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Re: Anyone using ZBF2L here?

Post by mastershakedude on Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:13 pm

Jricle wrote:dude, why don't u use CFOP? or just try this site... www.cubestation.co.uk

cuz im done doing CFOP I know how to do it

I wont be asking for ZBF2L if i didnt know CFOP.

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Re: Anyone using ZBF2L here?

Post by mastershakedude on Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:16 pm

iruel117 wrote:dude are you ok thats too much algorithms but iwant to learn it though maybe when im a college graduate pero mag CFOP KA MUNA dahil masyado kang nagmamadali


marunong nako mag CFOP.

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Re: Anyone using ZBF2L here?

Post by jincronics_07 on Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:20 pm

CFOP k nln dude hehehe Smile

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Re: Anyone using ZBF2L here?

Post by iruel117 on Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:20 pm

dude im so sorry cause its ur 1st post and u didin't say that u learned CFOP already and wahts ur Ave BTW.

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Re: Anyone using ZBF2L here?

Post by cubecubecube on Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:05 pm

kung kaya mo at gusto mo eto na ung nagiisang kumpletong site http://www.cubezone.be
pero sobrang dami nun mas marami pa ata sa ZBLL! para sa akin ang ultimate method e petrus F2L+ZBLL. mas masaya pagaralan ang petrus kasi di ka na mageenjoy pag sa ZBF2L. teka, kabisado mo na ba COLLs? kung alam mo na CFOP, COLL muna pagaralan mo. at para mapraktis un magintuitive VH/ZBF2L ka muna o petrus F2L. sa ZBLL naman eto site http://lar5.com/cube

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Re: Anyone using ZBF2L here?

Post by benjediman on Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:17 pm

Well, even if you are familiar with CFOP, have you learned those nitty-bitty extras already? >> optimized algorithms, perfected OLL/PLL execution, f2l in different angles, extended cross, empty slots, multi-slots, opposite-color cross... and i think a french cuber has posted in his site some ways of predicting the incoming PLL, though i forgot what site it is....

anyways, if you've masterd CFOP, that's when i recommend zbf2l. you can check cubewhiz.com for the algos

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Re: Anyone using ZBF2L here?

Post by ynajatrice on Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:30 pm

benjediman wrote:... and i think a french cuber has posted in his site some ways of predicting the incoming PLL, though i forgot what site it is....

really? sana matandaan mo yung site asap

hehehe

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Re: Anyone using ZBF2L here?

Post by iruel117 on Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:36 pm

ah yung kay Sébastien FELIX yung absolute mind astig yun di ko lng ma gets ito nga pla yung link http://pagesperso-orange.fr/absolutemind/roll-angl.html

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Re: Anyone using ZBF2L here?

Post by cubecubecube on Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:28 pm

pang sub15 lang yang kay Sébastien FELIX. pwera lang ung multislotting sa tingin ko na dapat sa simula pa lang e kasama na sa F2L talaga. hehe...

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Re: Anyone using ZBF2L here?

Post by iruel117 on Thu Feb 21, 2008 5:08 pm

@cubecubecube: Nope di lahat pang sub 15 pare kung kaya mong intindihin magagawa mo yan dba kung sub 60 ka tapos nag oorient ka malalaman nya pepredict nya yung PLL na lalabas diba

On-topic: Kung gusto mo tips punta ka na lng sa Speedcubing.com

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Re: Anyone using ZBF2L here?

Post by mastershakedude on Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:10 pm

iruel117 wrote:dude im so sorry cause its ur 1st post and u didin't say that u learned CFOP already and wahts ur Ave BTW.


i've only been cubing for 3 weeks. my ave ranges from 36- 42 secs.

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Re: Anyone using ZBF2L here?

Post by cubecubecube on Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:53 pm

@iruel117: maliit lang mababawas sa time mo pag inapply sa solves mo pag sub60 ka kaya wala rin, tsaka kailangan sa ROLL naiinintdihan mo yung COLL. pero pwede rin siguro na pagaralan na agad yang ROLL, ms, etc para masanay ka na agad. hehe...

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Re: Anyone using ZBF2L here?

Post by iruel117 on Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:23 pm

oo nga pero may halaga rin yung konting ors na yun dba tsaka aalamin mo lng yung corner position kung adjacent diagonal at correct nagagamit at naiintindihan ko na sya ngayon at effective sya ha

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Re: Anyone using ZBF2L here?

Post by ynajatrice on Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:29 pm

iruel117 wrote:ah yung kay Sébastien FELIX yung absolute mind astig yun di ko lng ma gets ito nga pla yung link http://pagesperso-orange.fr/absolutemind/roll-angl.html

eto pala yun

hehehe

tnx iruel!

im using 2-look PLL kasi

one of those beginner methods

pero mabilis ko rin nalalaman yung gagamitin na perm kasi my sariling style ako ng look-ahead

posible ang mag-adapt sa style ng iba

at pag nagawa yun, minsan mas mahusay pa sila

hehehe

im into PLL training ryt now

on the topic:

sinubukan ko dati ang ZBF2L

pero depende yun sa muscle memory mo

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Re: Anyone using ZBF2L here?

Post by pajodaep on Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:38 pm

i think there's no need to learn the zb method. when i've had the chance to talk with harris chan, i asked some tips, and he mentioned that he uses PURE fridrich. no other special algs at all. the key to get really fast is to have a good muscle memory, good recognition, and minimal cube rotation. it can be achieved through practice, although i think these skills come natural to some people. in my case, i'm really slow, i'm stuck in the 21secs average for 5 months now, and i'm even having a set back now that i'm injured.

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Re: Anyone using ZBF2L here?

Post by jr_orata on Thu Feb 28, 2008 10:48 am

if I were you po, sapat na ung CFOP para mag sub 12. practive lang un

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Re: Anyone using ZBF2L here?

Post by lorcan on Fri Feb 29, 2008 11:21 pm

____________waaa mrn b nung prdcting ng PLL grbe ang hrap nun daanin mo nlng kaya sa tingin ^^ ung ZBF2L hanep mhrap n tlga un sa CFOP nlng ako mamasterin ko pa eh

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Re: Anyone using ZBF2L here?

Post by Jome on Sat Mar 01, 2008 11:18 am

To ZBF2L's credit, Jason Baum was able to reach the sub-11 average because of his mastery of the whole system. The problem with CFOP is that you also rely in the fact that your dexterity is topnotch and that you can actually find a spot in your scramble that is great for minimal delays between moves. In a way, CFOP relies too much on luck if you don't know how to set up the moves properly.

I'm studying ZBF2L, and I must admit it's difficult, kahit na yung important cases lang. Pero those important cases can assure you a cross-based OLL every single time, shaving off precious seconds if not entirely cancelling the orientation.

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