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Re: intuitive f2l and algo f2l

Post by Nube on Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:04 pm

I started to Fridrich method by memorizing the 41 standard f2l cases
since I want to finish the method in the least possible time. So by now, my f2l is mostly from what I've memorized. But by experience, I managed to come up with my own f2l patterns because some of what I memorized just don't fit my cubing. Then, I learned to combine various patterns I've discovered to suit the case. As I see it, once the patterns are embedded in your "hands", It seems that it is intuitive in the first place because it will rely on how your muscle memory worked on it. But I praise those who are purely intuitive in their f2ls and ending up with a very fast times.

Uy Mark mag- kabisado ka na ng f2l mo!

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Re: intuitive f2l and algo f2l

Post by kingpsyzor on Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:11 pm

tingin ko mas ok ung intuitive f2l pag magstart ka pa lng... tpos pag gus2 mo pa mas bumilis,tsaka ka magaral ng algs ng f2l (mdalas kc mas konti moves dun compare sa intuitive eh)... and also dba less move = less tym... pag mgaling kana sa intuitive konti na lng imememorize mo sa algs f2l eh.. ung mga mgkatabi na lng...

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Re: intuitive f2l and algo f2l

Post by jestoni143 on Wed Apr 16, 2008 11:49 am

f2l are for fridrich users ^_^..
kasi kaming mga petrus user eh intuitive.. though sa finishing f2l eh need namin ng around 6 cases ng fridrich f2l...
but by modification pwedeng bumaba sa intuitive iyon...
enough na kasi ang 15 sec para makaisip ng intuitive algs from step 1 to step 2 ng petrus... advantage din ng petrus + intuitive eh `di kami dependent sa FRU slot.. we can work at any angle depende sa pair na makikita... (sana may nakaintindi T_T)

OT: petrus users, nasan kayo? hehehehe

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Re: intuitive f2l and algo f2l

Post by testing101 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:03 pm

algo+intuitive.. pra sakin optimize na ksi ang algo f2l tapos ikaw na lang bahala kung pano mo siya masslot in 8 direction.. understand lang ang algo tapos kaw na bahala.. hehehe.. parehas lang ang intuitive sa algo kasi parang diniscover mo lang yung algo na nakasulat sa mga web.. hahaha..

ngayun hirap pa ko mag slot from 8 different direction without regripping.. hehehe.. praktis pa..

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Re: intuitive f2l and algo f2l

Post by i.luv.cube on Fri Apr 25, 2008 6:56 pm

mas madali maka recognize ng cases pag intuitive kaysa kakabisaduhin... Like you know how to do the algo but you don't know when to do it...Mas advisable ang intuitive pero tingin tingin parin sa algos... Eventually, by doing both the same time, mamememorize rin yan ng brain mo...

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Re: intuitive f2l and algo f2l

Post by aeromuzkee on Sat Apr 26, 2008 10:14 am

hi po.
im a noob here.

I think po maganda po ung intuitive muna tas practice po ung algs.
Yun po kasi ung method ko in practiing the f2l. Its better that you understand how the alg works by doing it first ntuitively, like you know the reason why it should be turn that way or this...
it would be much easier to learn/memorize the f2l algs.






OT lang po im learning friedrich by mastering f2l first. which is better
pll ->oll->f2l or f2l->oll->pll?

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Re: intuitive f2l and algo f2l

Post by Lyrids on Sat Apr 26, 2008 12:08 pm

@aeromuzkee

hello hello hello welcome po sa PCA..,, marami na din pong topic na tungkol sa ganyan na learning ng fridrich sa tingin ko dpat PLL muna un din ang sabi ng iba ksi common sense pag inuna mo ang F2L tpos pano kna sa OLL? ung mga cases saka mo aaralin? then dpat pabalik para for example kung PLL ang inuna mo atleast mag beginners method ka muna sa F2L at OLL para pag dumating kna sa PLL alam mo na yung cases so id rather to advice you that mas magandang aralin ang PLL-OLL-F2L., next time search po muna sa ibang thread thanks..,

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Re: intuitive f2l and algo f2l

Post by chaos2121 on Sat Apr 26, 2008 9:39 pm

ako ill go for intuitive + algo its very2 effective tlgang bibilis ka d2 haheheheh

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Re: intuitive f2l and algo f2l

Post by aeromuzkee on Sun Apr 27, 2008 1:59 am

yeah. same thing happens naman eh. once you mastered your F2l magiging intuitive nalang sau un dba.

@Lyrids
thanks po sa advice.
sorry didnt use the search button. hehe
wont do it again. thanks

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Re: intuitive f2l and algo f2l

Post by nEwo on Wed May 07, 2008 1:38 pm

its better to use intuition first sa f2l then pag gs2 m png bmlis,, mgmemo kn ng algorithms... but don't just memo it... understand it also para kht wla sa FR slot ung target slot m mla2gay m n.. learn mirror algorithms of f2l... honestly d p ko bihasa sa f2l... kktapos ko lng sa OLLs eh... sub30 plng ako eh.. T.T

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Re: intuitive f2l and algo f2l

Post by Syalang on Wed May 07, 2008 2:11 pm

mas mganda ung intuitive na F2L... lage kalang practis for sure makakgawa ka ng mga algo mo na comfy ka... maganda rn if check mo mga algo pero tignan mo lang mga galaw den if comfy ka... sundin mo nalang.

di mo na talaga kailangan mag memo..

dapat lang naintindihan mo ang mga moves na ginagawa mo...

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Re: intuitive f2l and algo f2l

Post by dotdotdot on Sat May 17, 2008 10:30 pm

hm...ako rin intuitive...nakita ko ung mga cases ng f2l algo...hm...prang mga na stuck lng un at nadikit na pairz...ala akong plano mag a.algo sa f2l...hehe...tamad kasi me...^^

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Re: intuitive f2l and algo f2l

Post by bundat on Sun May 18, 2008 12:19 am

I'd choose an "algorithmized intuitive approach", i.e. using intuitive F2L to create your own algorithms, which you can later refine (if the move count is BAD >7 or >8, or if the case is hard) with fine-tuned algos.

The advantage of going intuitive first is that you don't become dependent on the FR slot, and you can easily adapt to work from any angle, as well as easily pickup and recognize F2L tricks.

I noticed that most intuitive F2L beginners tend to watch each CE pair as they pair up (as they connect or line up), then watch them again as they go into the slot. This IMO seriously impairs execution speed because they usually slow down in order "to watch".

If you are using pure algorithms, you can very quickly run through the algorithm without understanding what's going on. Even just running through algorithms VERY quickly without any look-ahead, you can easily achieve unstable sub-20 single solves.

But if you manage to eliminate the "watching the cubies" bad habit that comes with intuitive F2L, and combine it with short algs for tough cases, you can get very fast in just a short period of time.

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