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Post by RevenGenesis on Fri Mar 21, 2008 1:07 am

may laban ba LBL sa F2L,OLL at PLL??wala pa pa kasi akong alam na F2l,OLL,PLL nga pala bago lang ako...pero fastest ko sa LBL 43 seconds

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Re: LBL VS F2L

Post by pbe_jse on Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:40 am

let put it this way, it's a no contest Rev

LBL as we know it is layer by layer (hence the acronym)
F2L is doing the 1st and 2nd layer at the same time, then 1 step for OLL (orienting last layer) and another step for PLL (permutation of last layer)

So you see, in speedcubing the fewer the moves (not necesarily though: you will understand this as you go along learning the CFOP method) the faster you can solve the cube.


you can learn a lot by reading the speedcubing threads on this forum.

FYI: in the first official rubiks championship held June 5, 1982 at Budapest, it took 22.95 seconds by Minh Thai with a non lubricated to capture the first official WR. Fridrich method (F2L) was never heard of during that time (although
this method was first developed in the early 1980s by Jessica Fridrich, and was published online in 1997)

good luck!

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Re: LBL VS F2L

Post by S a s o r i on Fri Mar 21, 2008 6:53 am

RevenGenesis wrote:may laban ba LBL sa F2L,OLL at PLL??wala pa pa kasi akong alam na F2l,OLL,PLL nga pala bago lang ako...pero fastest ko sa LBL 43 seconds

if you can do 43 secs using lbl method... baka mag sub 25 ka sa CFOP method ^^

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Re: LBL VS F2L

Post by jincronics_07 on Fri Mar 21, 2008 9:25 am

hahahaha uo to2o un if u cn do 43 sec using lbl,,,,bka mg sub 20 k p nga ee if u use CFOP Smile hehehe

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Re: LBL VS F2L

Post by 4GO57O on Fri Mar 21, 2008 9:56 am

sub 40 me sa LBL noon tapos nagcfop...almost sub 30na ako...
feel ko may laban kung sobrang bilis mo...si gina ata sun 30 LBL...ako almost lang cfop ko sub-30

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Re: LBL VS F2L

Post by shogakukan on Fri Mar 21, 2008 10:01 am

wats LBL??? alm q lng pouh kxe F2L eh...

anu pouh ba ung mas mbilis na method???

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Re: LBL VS F2L

Post by Jricle on Fri Mar 21, 2008 11:36 am

f2l is faster than lbl

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Re: LBL VS F2L

Post by kmcruz09 on Fri Mar 21, 2008 11:42 am

LBL ko sub 35 average, usually sub-30. Haha, ngayon ngaaral ako magF2L. Sub 45 palang. >.< (Am I just expeccting too much progress? o.o)

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Re: LBL VS F2L

Post by RaMa on Fri Mar 21, 2008 11:44 am

i have question..
how do you do the last layer with lbl
beginners method? or OLL PLL? or what

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Re: LBL VS F2L

Post by kmcruz09 on Fri Mar 21, 2008 11:45 am

2 look OLL, 2 look PLL.

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Re: LBL VS F2L

Post by lorcan on Fri Mar 21, 2008 12:37 pm

LBL is no match in CFOP

khit n masterin mo pa magdamag yan eh hndi tlga papalag yan

heheh kung mamaster mo man cgro mhrap . . . saka nkksawa

nmn ung scenarios paulit ulit e

bgo ko nag move sa f2l, LBL ako hnggng 2nd layer tpos LL Orient

self study basic na pagpapataob lng ang alm ko tpos ung PLL 2lwa

kbsdo ko sub 45 nq nun hehe ung cube ko pa eh ung nsa

national buk store waaaa. .

bsta CFOP k nlng d best ^^

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Re: LBL VS F2L

Post by jestoni143 on Sat Mar 22, 2008 2:31 pm

limit of LBL is 25 sec.... fingertricks + lubed cube (DIY)+ very good dextery and recognition...

oh, and faster if you can multi-slot each layer...

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Re: LBL VS F2L

Post by AdrianReyes on Sat Mar 22, 2008 11:25 pm

f2l padin mas mabilis,,less moves kc eh,,kahit san mo tingnan..haha
kc 2 steps xa at the same time

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Re: LBL VS F2L

Post by wawell24 on Sun Mar 23, 2008 12:30 pm

uu nga,f2l mas mbilis,pro kung mguumpsa k plng o pagaaralan mo plng,ttgal ka..SA UMPISA..pro pag nsnay k n at bumilis na ang pag "look-ahead" mo,bibilis ka..n_n

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Re: LBL VS F2L

Post by cmgjr2 on Sun Mar 23, 2008 3:19 pm

well obviously kung iicpn mo sa LBL pagkatapos ng cross mag 4 corners ka pa then the second layer pero pag Fiedrich ka sa 4 corners mo may second layer ka na rin.. then ung last layer mo imbis na 4 algos or kahit mag skip ka. sa Fiedrich 2 algos lng.. sa tingin ko nababagalan ka lng dahil d mo pa master....... ^_^

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Re: LBL VS F2L

Post by kmcruz09 on Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:15 am

Well, ang advantage lang ng LBL, less algorithms to memorize. Ako so far, mas mabilis LBL ko kesa sa F2L. Haha, nasanay kasi ako sa LBL eh, pero nagppractice na ko ng F2L ngayon. So far ave. ko sub40.

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Re: LBL VS F2L

Post by TheJoker on Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:45 am

paano LBL method mo... from first layer to last layer...???

ako kasi CROSS... then 3 corner... then key hole sa second layer... then CROSS sa last layer... permute corner... orient last layer then permute edges.... average ko dati on a lubricated TRU cube... 36 seconds...

sa CFOP (fridrich)... on a very good lubricated cube... 42 seconds... hehehehehhe... Very Happy:D:D:D

pero 1 1/2 months pa lang me FRIDRICH... kaya okay lang... tapos everyday during lunch lang puwede magcube... sa bahay mga 1-2 hours lang tulog na... Very Happy:D:D:D...

F2L - intuitive... (low recognition)...
OLL - 26 algs... (average recognition)...
PLL - 21 algs... (fast recognition)...

heheheheheh... Very Happy:D:D:D...

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Re: LBL VS F2L

Post by jr_orata on Mon Mar 24, 2008 5:32 pm

for me, wag mu na sayangin ung time mo for lbl kasi talgang CFOP ang best formula sakin. hehe, para mag sub 20. sa lbl kahit, magskip ka sa LL, di mo magagawa sub 20.... hehehe

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Re: LBL VS F2L

Post by marc_rendl on Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:57 pm

it's funny that LBL is being evenly matched up with F2L when we all know that F2L was made to improve the LBL method of fridrich.. which implies that F2L is really better than LBL...

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Re: LBL VS F2L

Post by sdj3rd on Mon Mar 24, 2008 8:00 pm

gaano kau ktagal bago n-reach ung sub 40 sa LBL?? 6 days lng ako since nag-simula ulit mag-cube, sub-2mins lng ako (bagal)... ganyan b tlga ako ka-bano?? hahah

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Re: LBL VS F2L

Post by bnonymous on Mon Mar 24, 2008 8:40 pm

@sdj3rd kuya nung una qng ngcube, lbl lng gmit ko, mga 3mins pa nga time ko nun, pero mga 3 or 4 days lng cguro mga 1min naq, bxta mgndang cimulan na agad ung CFOP, kung alam q lng na my fridrich un na sna gnwa ko at d nako ngstart ng lbl ^^.v si kuya ken daw kc d na xa nglbl, fridrich agad gnmit nia. ayun ^^.v

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Re: LBL VS F2L

Post by eaU^ on Mon Mar 24, 2008 8:53 pm

mas ok kung mag f2l ka agad. madami ka nmn tutorials sa mga site, videos tutorial pra sa f2l mo.. practice lng ng practice oks na... ganun tlga pag pinaghirapan mo at gumawa ka ng paraan para bumilis bkit inde ka bibilis dba...

sa mga taong sub30 sa LBL saludo ako sa ineo..dhil khit ako f2l na minsan nag30+ prin avg ko...



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Re: LBL VS F2L

Post by bado09 on Tue Mar 25, 2008 3:15 pm

sabi nga ni k21 i should use f2l.. kya lng i dont know pano ko mtututo kc wulang ngtuturo sken.. help nman.. slamat.. god roocks!!

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Re: LBL VS F2L

Post by jolo_mat2008 on Tue Mar 25, 2008 4:46 pm

since namention na po ang 2look oll at 2look pll magtatanong na rin ako..Razz ung 2look oll ba po eh ung gagawin mo munang cross? tapos pede paexplain naman po kung ano ung 2look pll..Razz medyo tamad po kc ako magmemrize ng algs..Razz

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Re: LBL VS F2L

Post by RevenGenesis on Tue Mar 25, 2008 10:42 pm

thanx 4 the advice....cubers....ma2terin ko muna 2ng LBL....bago pagaralan ang OLL PLL F2L....

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