How fast can a 2-Look OLLer go?

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How fast can a 2-Look OLLer go?

Post by bundat on Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:42 pm

Masyado kasing hectic and busy ang schedule ko to memo so many algos, pero gusto ko rin naman maging sub-20 kahit papano...

Any good 2-Look OLLers here? Anong average time nyo? (and SD na rin kung pede, ty)

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Re: How fast can a 2-Look OLLer go?

Post by eaU^ on Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:56 pm

ako 2 look OLL ko tamad kasing mag memo ng OLL ehh magkatapos ko ng PLL tinamad na.. tsk tsk tsk..alam ko lng ga cross casses.


btw sub30 ako...


practice lng tau men...

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Re: How fast can a 2-Look OLLer go?

Post by chaos2121 on Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:02 pm

55 ung akin 10 lng ung mbgal kz mhirap execute

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Re: How fast can a 2-Look OLLer go?

Post by superken on Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:03 pm

sub30 ang naabot ko sa 3-look noon. kasi constant naman yung learning process e. Pero alam ko si timothy sun, sub-15 3 look Very Happy

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Re: How fast can a 2-Look OLLer go?

Post by xiphuscube on Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:06 pm

I'm doing a 2-look OLL and i'm hitting 34-44s. IMO, kung alam ko ung algo for the yellow "dot", mas OK. Nagiging 3-look OLL kasi pag yellow "dot" case, mejo time consuming din.

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Re: How fast can a 2-Look OLLer go?

Post by bundat on Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:14 pm

Wow, pwede pala maka 20-ish... salamat!

superken wrote:si timothy sun, sub-15 3 look Very Happy

Gluck to you.
WOW! Shocked
Astig yun ah.
Thanks din.

@ xiphus
Yung algo na nabasa ko for the dot
R,U2 - R2',F,R,F' - U2 - R',F,R,F'

Yun na yung gamit ko ngayon, pero yung imbento ko dati bago ko nabasa yun...
F - R,U,R',U' - F' - f - R,U,R',U', f'

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Re: How fast can a 2-Look OLLer go?

Post by xiphuscube on Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:16 pm

Thanks for the algo bundat! I'll study a lil OLL algos after I memo'ed all of the PLLs. 2 PLL cases per week para masanay ung fingers ko mag-execute.

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Re: How fast can a 2-Look OLLer go?

Post by meaty21 on Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:02 pm

ako once nag 3 look OLL ako pero PLL skip, kaya naging 19.xx. haahaha.



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teka ah. alam ko i will sound stupid, pero anong meaning nung standard deviation???

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Re: How fast can a 2-Look OLLer go?

Post by eaU^ on Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:38 pm

@ meaty -

sa pag kakaalam ko ung standard deviation un ata ung pagitan ng mga times mo.. so for ex. ang times mo 12.00, 12.00 , 12.00
SD mo 0(zero) kasi magkakadikit cla ng time... mas mababa ung SD mag ok. kasi constant ung finger tricks mo at rcognition..



ako din minsan asar na asar ako sa (dot) lng ung last layer ko kasi nag 3look OLL pko sayng ung times at algo na ginagamit ko.. tsk tsk tsk..

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Re: How fast can a 2-Look OLLer go?

Post by shinigamizee on Tue Mar 25, 2008 7:58 pm

ako rin 2 look OLLer kaso misyado ako inconsistent hahaha
SD ko 10-25seconds >,<
3cases lang kasi alam ko sa PLL ehh hahaha

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Re: How fast can a 2-Look OLLer go?

Post by Jome on Tue Mar 25, 2008 8:00 pm

A 2-look OLL is unnecessary kung gusto mong mag-sub20. Pwede kahit edge-control (masmadali pa by a large margin at di mo na kailangan mag-aral) to cross-based OLL ang gagamitin mo.

Pero tama si Ken. Si Timothy Sun, pinatunayan na possible ang 3-look OLL at maka-achieve ng sub-15. He still knows the whole CFOP system, though.

Nung Diliman Open, I was still using 3-look OLL, at naka-average ako ng 36.xxs yata. Intuitive rin lang kasi F2L ko nun so talagang mabagal. Over time, bibilis rin yan. Ang naging barrier ko sa 2 at 3-look, 28s. To get lower, I had to memorize the whole CFOP. So far, stuck sa sub-21. Kaya yan. Sipag lang.

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Re: How fast can a 2-Look OLLer go?

Post by pepesmith on Tue Mar 25, 2008 8:58 pm

2 look ako s mga di ko alam n OLLs s ngaun pero dati sub30 inabot ko nung 2 look kelan b un? nung unang cube meet ko ata nun nung 02-24-08 meet. c swordsmankirby magaling tlga!

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Re: How fast can a 2-Look OLLer go?

Post by Brian Nicole Uy on Tue Mar 25, 2008 9:04 pm

I also do 2-look OLL 60% of the time and I am sub17. Harris Chan was a sub14 when he was doing 2-look oLL.

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Re: How fast can a 2-Look OLLer go?

Post by jettyboy1 on Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:23 am

i'm sub 15-16, still some 2-look OLLs

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Re: How fast can a 2-Look OLLer go?

Post by greatauror28 on Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:27 am


ako 2 look OLL...
but manages a sub24...

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Re: How fast can a 2-Look OLLer go?

Post by pepesmith on Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:31 am

yeah one more thing dapat alam mo ung klalalabasan n OLL pag nag F U R U' R' F' ka (or the other) ganun technique ko heheh

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Re: How fast can a 2-Look OLLer go?

Post by kmcruz09 on Wed Mar 26, 2008 6:47 am

2 Look din ako, sub-30. Important yung dot OLLs para kahit anong case lumabas 2look lang lagi kaya minemorize ko na kaagad yung 2 dot cases. Tapos yung 2 edge flips, then the rest of the cross cases. Umaabot ako ng sub 24 pag LBL gamit ko with my 2look OLL and 1lookPLL. Haha.

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Re: How fast can a 2-Look OLLer go?

Post by Jome on Wed Mar 26, 2008 5:38 pm

Try the sledgehammer trick. Sobrang ok nun. Yun lang ginagamit ko nung Open eh. Preserve all edges at the last F2L slot. Definitely a lot faster than just doing the transforms.

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Re: How fast can a 2-Look OLLer go?

Post by kmcruz09 on Wed Mar 26, 2008 7:36 pm

Ayos yun ah, parang sa ZBF2L. Diba ganun yon? Last F2L pair tapos orient LL Edges? Hehe, pero mas ok parin Full OLL. Very Happy

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Re: How fast can a 2-Look OLLer go?

Post by Brian Nicole Uy on Thu Mar 27, 2008 12:04 pm

I think what Jome is talking about is what we call "Last Layer Influence". That is when you insert the last corner-edge pair, the last layer edges will be oriented. that is the same with the VH System.

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Re: How fast can a 2-Look OLLer go?

Post by bundat on Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:26 pm

Haha nakita ko nga yung sledgehammer dun sa Jason Baum site na pinost ni Jome in that other topic.
Astig!

Dati, pag may F2L case na ganito

Talagang U R U' R' lang ako, nothing else.

Di ko man naisip yung sledgehammer (takot yung intuitive F2L ko sa ganung moves eh, baka masira ung cross :p), at ayos yung effect nya dun sa edges na madadaanan nya. Parang mapapa-nood ka sa cubies while comparing the sledge to the original.

Saka mukhang pwede mo talagang ma avoid yung dot case completely.
Ayos ah... mukha ngang pwedeng cross OLLs ka nalang lagi eh, pag namaster to.

Hay, mukhang F2L talaga sikreto ng CFOP. Kung alin yung di ko pa talaga maintindihan kung pano prapraktisin para bumilis other than braindead repetition Sad

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Re: How fast can a 2-Look OLLer go?

Post by pajodaep on Thu Mar 27, 2008 5:19 pm

me, i decided to go back to some 2-look OLL's, kasi mas komportable ako dun, although memorized ko na naman lahat ng OLL's.

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Re: How fast can a 2-Look OLLer go?

Post by jusay_mitch29 on Thu Mar 27, 2008 6:31 pm

basta ba mbilis ka sa cross at f2l magiging 2ub 30 ka e... ako medyo may 2look... sub35 Very Happy

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Re: How fast can a 2-Look OLLer go?

Post by TheJoker on Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:46 am

sledgehammer pala tawag dun... kala ko extended f2l... yun last f2l mo before insert will add some algs para pagtapos mo cross na OLL mo... ORIENT na then 7 oll na lang all CROSS cases ang kakabisaduhin mo...

yan ang ginagawa ko before... 16 cases lahat yan... 8 were mirror... 8 kabisado ko na at ginagamit pa rin paminsan minsan...

2 look OLL pag di ko bisado yun last f2l...

pero 29 OLL na kabisado ko ngayon...

actually 2 look OLL... just only 1-2 seconds... ilan beses ko na nasabi na to remove that 1-2 seconds i need to memorize all 57 OLL... so sabi ko... tangap ko na muna yung 1-2 seconds... then i will improve my F2L...

okay po... thanks... hehehehehe... Very Happy:D:D:D

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