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longer or shorter algorithms?

Post by nEwo on Wed May 07, 2008 2:49 pm

what do you prefer longer but easier to execute alg or shorter but kinda hard to execute? during my memorization days of oll, i found out two oll algs from noort's page which has more or less 13 moves which is exactly two olls: sune + FRUR'U'F' and antisune + FRUR'U'F'

master ken told me this: longer + finger tricks = faster(lol)

wana know other cuber's opinion too. . ! !

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Post by Syalang on Wed May 07, 2008 3:30 pm

hmm.. its good to have longer but easier fingerstricks...

for me..

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Re: longer or shorter algorithms?

Post by TheJoker on Wed May 07, 2008 3:44 pm

marami nagsabi... it doesn't matter how hard the ALGS is... or how long it is...

it is your finger tricks... just like this...

Z Perm... * (x') R U' R' U D R' D U' R' U R D2' F (x)

he does it like just 1 seconds...

nalimutan ko yun sites... puro finger tricks yun... from R U to R U R' U' etc...

and i saw also in a video... he's still using the original FRIDRICH... hindi optimized or enhanced or alternatives... pero sub18...

pero siyempre... bibilis ka lalo kung optimized... easy kahit long algs... shorter the better... and FAST FINGER TRICKS...

well yun ang hinuha ko... kaya sub35 pa rin me for 3 weeks...

heheheheheheh... Very Happy:D:D:D:D

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Re: longer or shorter algorithms?

Post by nEwo on Wed May 07, 2008 3:48 pm

after memorizing my OLLs nbreak ko n ung stable sub35 ko into unstable sub30s... meju ntuwa ako pewu marame p dn akong ka2ining NFA rice pra mging sub20..!

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Re: longer or shorter algorithms?

Post by jr_orata on Wed May 07, 2008 9:31 pm

for me, use the shorther one, kasi po, medyo mabagal nga kaysa sa long but with nice fingertricks. PERO, pag namaster mo na, mas mabilis un kaysa sa longer lalo na pag namaster mo na ung fingertricks

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Re: longer or shorter algorithms?

Post by whitecube on Wed May 07, 2008 10:34 pm

shorter, kasi mas malupet pag katapos mo eh

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Post by pepesmith on Thu May 08, 2008 4:21 am

longer but faster sa akin... try to break ur dexterity barriers LOL hehehe pramis ung 2-gen zperm ko dati 4.xx ngaun 2.1 nlng kaso ayaw prin mag sub2 heheh kea yan hehhee

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Re: longer or shorter algorithms?

Post by papplazy on Thu May 08, 2008 12:38 pm

Yeah. I have to agree with Jemay. Longer but easier to execute. Optimized algorithms tend to have awkward re-grips and move sequences. Such as sudden B's or D' that come out of nowhere. Very time consuming in my opinion. Comfort and convenience over number of moves. That's how I look at it. Yeah...

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Re: longer or shorter algorithms?

Post by C0RNICZ on Thu May 08, 2008 1:43 pm

LoNgEr.. Un Lng...

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Re: longer or shorter algorithms?

Post by iruel117 on Thu May 08, 2008 5:33 pm

longer ako pero mas gus2 ko short sa mga mahirap na cases like f-perm or e-perm isama ko na ang v-perm

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Re: longer or shorter algorithms?

Post by Jome on Thu May 08, 2008 6:10 pm

Shorter. Pero kung R-hand dominant 2-gen (Nakaji Z-perm, for one), I'll go for that.

Pero to put it in a better comparison, I must say that most shorter algs, though having weird moves out of nowhere, are usually faster than other "easier" agorithms.

Example: Yung mirror OLL ng FURU'R'F, it's usually done F'L'U'LUF, but I do it, (y' R'U' y') (R'URU') B. Mukhang weird, pero sa unang OLL, since left hand, umaabot ako ng 2s. Sa second one, sub-1.5.

Second case, yung mismong FURU'R'F' na algo, I do it sometimes as y2 f(RUR'U')f' if it ends up in the opposite angle. It seems weird, but it eliminates that awkward delay between the first F and U move.

Maraming scenarios, and it always depends on the case. Well, at least for me.

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Re: longer or shorter algorithms?

Post by pajodaep on Thu May 08, 2008 11:38 pm

i think depende din sa cuber yan. either way, may advantage at disadvantage.

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Re: longer or shorter algorithms?

Post by MetaboringJohnCañares on Mon May 12, 2008 3:10 am

It depends on your fingertricks which you are comfortable of.


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Re: longer or shorter algorithms?

Post by bonoan1027 on Mon May 12, 2008 3:14 am

tulad ng sabi ni kuya pajo, may advantages and disadvantages ang both. i would go for shorter algs for OH. longer but easier executing algs for the normal solve

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Re: longer or shorter algorithms?

Post by i.luv.cube on Mon May 12, 2008 3:37 pm

What if a shorter algorithm will be invented and it can be executed much faster than the longer ones, who wouldn't prefer it diba? haha...

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Re: longer or shorter algorithms?

Post by Jome on Mon May 12, 2008 3:55 pm

'Much faster' is relative. What if it involved B and D moves in abundance? That would suck, too. Pwedeng masmabilis at masmaikli, but what matters is how possible is it for a cuber to execute an algorithm, not however shorter or longer the algorithm is.

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Re: longer or shorter algorithms?

Post by thirdrecords on Mon May 12, 2008 5:25 pm

i prefer shorter algs too lessen the moves and to reduce its solving time so just memorize all the notations inorder to execute the algs correctly cheers pero hindi mo tlgang masasabi na sa algs yan nasa bilis yan ng fingertricks ng isang cuber Very Happy

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Re: longer or shorter algorithms?

Post by dotdotdot on Sat May 17, 2008 10:16 pm

longer at easier...kasi mapapadali mo gamit finger trikz...^^...
[sa nakikita lng..^^...]...

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