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Post by nEwo on Thu May 22, 2008 2:07 pm

Really,, what's the secret of looking ahead..? Lots of Vit A..? I used metronome for a day and i haven't made a perfect solve along with the beats. Damn, there are also times that i'm confused whether I'll rotate the cube or do F2L sym... I dont want to be stuck at my current ave..! T.T


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Re: what's the secret of looking ahead?

Post by cupid on Thu May 22, 2008 2:24 pm


dude i suggest mag slow solve ka..
kc kpg slow solve ms mdli mung nkkta ung mga pairs na ipapasok mu sa bwt sides ng cube eh..
kpg nkita mu na ung pair mo,ma eexecute mu nmn cia ng kht d n iniicp kc snay n ung fingers mu sa algo n un eh.,
then while executing try to find the next pair pra continuous ung flow ng solve mo..
=)

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Re: what's the secret of looking ahead?

Post by bonoan1027 on Thu May 22, 2008 3:59 pm

dude... the "secret" of looking ahead is to focus on / track the next f2l pair you are going to go for while doing your current f2l pair subconsciously.

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Re: what's the secret of looking ahead?

Post by i.luv.cube on Thu May 22, 2008 5:44 pm

Napansin ko,, pag nag one-hand (which is a kind a sort of slow solve) ako then mag 2-hand ako bigla akong bumibilis... ewan ko ba kung bakit,, nag improve rin recognition ko ng unti,, kaya one-hand mode ako ngayon eh...

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Re: what's the secret of looking ahead?

Post by Syalang on Thu May 22, 2008 5:59 pm

slow solve lang talaga daw... hmm...

kung inde metronome... haha...

nagwork naman cya sakin in some ways

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Re: what's the secret of looking ahead?

Post by Jome on Thu May 22, 2008 6:52 pm

Ang uber-proven na good training para sa lookahead ay hindi metronome, hindi slow solve, at lalong di Vit. A.

Simple lang: look ahead. At di ako nagbibiro.

Most cubers tend to watch their actions while moving. Wag kang masanay. Break your neck if you have to. Sabi nga ni Dan Knights, that was one of the most significant changes na ginawa niya to get sub-18 times nung sub-2x pa lang siya.

Kung malabo, let me explain:

Note: My theory may not stand. Correct me if needed.

May tendency tayo to watch how the pieces go, lalo na sa F2L, dahil ang una nating inaaral ang LL. Sa LL, we learn how to anticipate case changes, lalo na kung di tayo 2-look LL (one OLL, one PLL). We also tend to memo the execution of pieces and not the algorithm, so we look for telltale signs na tama ginagawa natin (ex. "Uy, sune, nasaan na buntot?.. Aha! *Bira bira bira* or "Letter T na, tapos na kalahati ng Y perm!").

Dahil dun, nasasanay tayo to watch pieces as they go so that alam natin kung nasaang stage na tayo sa algorithm natin at kung tama ba tayo. This is true for people who execute algorithms ng mabagal pa (like 6 seconds or so).

The fault with studying the LL earlier than F2L is that we carry over that "habit". We tend to watch our F2L algorithms such that we expect them to be formed ng parang LL cases. The problem with this is that we forget that pagkatapos ng isang pairing+insertion, we will have a lull in locating the next pair.

So, ang good method to look ahead is just that: LOOK AHEAD. Sabi nga ni Makisumi, "Slow down and look ahead! In case you didn't read that, SLOW DOWN AND LOOK AHEAD! I cannot emphasize this enough." And he is right. Kasi kung di mo pipilitin, mababano ka after one pair.

Now, dahil tapos na ang theory part, let's go to practice. Ang pinakasimpleng paraan is not to go metro nor go slow. Ang best practice is this: Slow step by step. Parang ang bobo pero ignore mo muna ang speed for now. Ang gawin mo, mag solve ka ng cube step by step.

Cross muna. While finishing the cross, pause. As in pause. Then look for one pair without rotating the cube. Imagine mo nag Chronosphere ka muna then you have three seconds to locate the nearest pair. Then finish the cross.

Go to the first pair. Before executing that pair, pause again. Force yourself to find at least the corner of the next nearest possible pair. Edges are easy to locate, corners aren't (because you can't possibly see what's underneath without intense intuition or taking time to look under). Kapag nakita mo na, force yourself, again, FORCE YOUR NECK/EYES/HEAD/BRAIN/WHATEVER to execute that algo for the first pair while looking at the SECOND pair's corner.

Why do this? Kasi kapag natapos mo na, you have an idea where the corner is. After nun, regrip if necessary, then locate the edge (there are only 8 places for the edge to appear in, and you can quickly deduce through practice kung nasaan sila, ie. back 2nd layer or back 3rd layer) the execute algo again while looking for the third pair's corner.

So yun lang. Pause, locate, execute, pause, locate, execute.

Kung di pa gumana yan, wala na akong idea kung anong makakaayos sa F2L mo. Smile Good luck.

Note 2: This was integral in my training to get lower from sub-28 to sub-21.

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Re: what's the secret of looking ahead?

Post by Syalang on Thu May 22, 2008 8:17 pm

nyc advice jome... we will take it...

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Re: what's the secret of looking ahead?

Post by chaos2121 on Thu May 22, 2008 8:27 pm

very well said tlga ang galing ni master jomes,im on the right track pla, practice lng ng practice

meron ako minsan gngwa na bago ko ipasok ung eniexecute ko nghahanap ako un ung parang part na sinbi ni master jomes na pause habang execute hanap k na agad bago ko ipasok alam ko na ung gagawin ko hehehe ganon lng ung minsan ngingawa ko

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Re: what's the secret of looking ahead?

Post by pepesmith on Thu May 22, 2008 8:48 pm

ngek jome ngaun ko lng nalaman ung mga cnabi mo hehehhe ang passive ko tlga heheheh kasi ako i memorized all 41 cases... di tapos na... then nag improvise ako ng mga from back algs para dun s ibang normal f2l cases.. ang ginagawa ko kasi pattern n may kasamang colors mahirap i explain hehehhe pero ewan ko lng kasi parang onti lng ung bisa ng slow solve s akin... halos pareho lng ng full speed... ang technique ko s look ahead... diba s f2l ung last 4 moves dun eh basic na... ung tipong R U R' nlng... pag nadun n s stage na un.. saka lng ako nag lulook ahead.. parang semi look ahead lng... ngaun im trying to use empty slots kea mejo bumagal kasi nangangapa..

btw, thnx jome for sharing ur technique!!! try ko rin yan. di ko kasi masyado ginagawa eh hehehhe

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Re: what's the secret of looking ahead?

Post by jusay_mitch29 on Thu May 22, 2008 9:48 pm

waw... u have a point kua jome... npabasa ako khit mahaba ah

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Re: what's the secret of looking ahead?

Post by Zeinest815 on Thu May 22, 2008 9:51 pm

to aid you in your slow solves, use a metronome na nakaset na 60 bpm. meaning, 1 move per second ang gagawin mo. tignan lang natin kung di ka mapuwersang maghanap ng pieces kung 1 move/second ang ginagawa mo. kalimutan ang finger tricks, dahil ang pinapraktis mo sa slow solving ay recognition. tapos cross + f2l lang ang gawin mo. ignore mo muna LL. hope this helps. cheers

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Re: what's the secret of looking ahead?

Post by TheJoker on Thu May 22, 2008 10:34 pm

wowoowowow.... thanks JOME... NEIL... PEPESMITH... at mga MAMAW na dito...

pag di pa din me nagimprove from sub35 (consistent) and sub30 (unstable)... ewan ko na lang...

ITATAPON ko lahat ng CUBES ko... hehehehehehhe... Very Happy:D:D:D:D

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Re: what's the secret of looking ahead?

Post by Zeinest815 on Thu May 22, 2008 11:29 pm

wag mo itapon sayang. ipamigay mo na lang sa street children. para iwas bisyo. Very Happy

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Re: what's the secret of looking ahead?

Post by Jome on Fri May 23, 2008 1:58 am

Yup, tama si Neil. Ignore the LL. Wala namang lookahead dun eh. Di rin pwedeng matawag na lookahead yung nasa pagitan ng OLL at PLL (unless na lang kung ikaw si Sebastian Felix, Thibaut Jacquinot, o Edouard Chambon).

Just do the F2L. Try 60 bpm, then 120 bpm, then 180 bpm kung pwede. This tests your real TPS (turning plus look ahead speed). Increments of 60 bpm para more or less 1 tps ang dagdag per session.

When you find that you are not getting the hang of it at higher rates, restart at 60 bpm. Then make your way up again. When stopping, restart.

Tedious, oo, pero wala namang nagsabing madaling bumilis sa speedcubing. Smile

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Re: what's the secret of looking ahead?

Post by S a s o r i on Fri May 23, 2008 2:06 am

after reading jome's post

nasabi ko n lng sa sarili ko..

sabi na.. F2L nga ung magdadala sa solves eh haha....
with sub 10 F2L tulad nila ken... pede kang mag sub 20 kahit 2 look OLL ka pa...

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Re: what's the secret of looking ahead?

Post by mumm_ra82 on Fri May 23, 2008 2:08 am

Thanks for the info Jome. Smile

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Re: what's the secret of looking ahead?

Post by j0ey on Fri May 23, 2008 8:36 am

focus den sa crossing try to make ur last move D,D',u' or u so dat mai look ahead ka na sa 1st pair d ka na mag stop un kxe normal na nanyayari after cross dey stop 4r ilan secs just looking for pairs

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Re: what's the secret of looking ahead?

Post by raprap7 on Fri May 23, 2008 11:26 am

ako din f2l din problema ko.. d ako marunong mag look ahead.. waaaaaaaaaa!!

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Re: what's the secret of looking ahead?

Post by kmcruz09 on Fri May 23, 2008 11:31 am

Galing talaga ni sir jome. Try ko nga, baka stepping stone na 'to to sub-20. Hehe. ^_^ F2L ko 15-20s eh, kaya kailangan talaga i-improve. Well, practice, practice.

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Re: what's the secret of looking ahead?

Post by kingpsyzor on Sat May 24, 2008 5:13 am

ako din 15-20 sec ang f2l ko.. kung maging consistent lng sna ako sa sub16 f2l mdali lng pumasok sa sub25 solve.. 108 bit gamit ko sa metronome, mejo nkakasunod na ko compare b4...

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Re: what's the secret of looking ahead?

Post by nEwo on Sun May 25, 2008 2:52 pm

Zeinest815 wrote: to aid you in your slow solves, use a metronome na nakaset na 60 bpm. meaning, 1 move per second ang gagawin mo. tignan lang natin kung di ka mapuwersang maghanap ng pieces kung 1 move/second ang ginagawa mo. kalimutan ang finger tricks, dahil ang pinapraktis mo sa slow solving ay recognition. tapos cross + f2l lang ang gawin mo. ignore mo muna LL. hope this helps. cheers

are u pertaining to xcross/extended cross..? kkbasa ko lng about dun..!! mejo nguluhan n nmn me kung anu ggwn ko..!!wahahaha

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tnx po sa long advice nyu..!! i'll try ur advice kht ngu2luhan n me..!!! i'll post the epek of ur advice sumtym..!!waheheh

btw,

to tell u all a secret,, i suck at making a cross,, mybe cause its PURE intuition... most of the time, lalo n pag mhrap ung cross-making situation,, i can't help it to look in making my cross,, kaya di ako mkpaglook ahead agd..!damn..!!!

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Re: what's the secret of looking ahead?

Post by i.luv.cube on Sun May 25, 2008 10:28 pm

Is it just like in billiards? Isasakto mo yung position nung next target mo para madali nalang i-shoot after mo mashoot yung current target mo? Kelangan mo mag look ahead to do that dba? Pero in billiards, you have more time unlike in cubing,, haha...

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Re: what's the secret of looking ahead?

Post by bnonymous on Sun May 25, 2008 10:42 pm

@newo try mu po ung vid tut. xa pggwa ng Cross ni dudemapp sa youtube bka mk2long po sau,

@i.l.cube sub?

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Re: what's the secret of looking ahead?

Post by Zeinest815 on Sun May 25, 2008 11:02 pm

nEwo wrote:
are u pertaining to xcross/extended cross..? kkbasa ko lng about dun..!! mejo nguluhan n nmn me kung anu ggwn ko..!!wahahaha

pede sa normal cross or extended cross ung sinasabi ko. basta, solving in general. di lang naman extended cross ang nangangailangan ng look-ahead ayt? cheers

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Re: what's the secret of looking ahead?

Post by jettyboy1 on Mon May 26, 2008 12:29 am

nEwo. your thread title seems to be an ANSWER to a certain QUESTION. to me, this thread is more of a starting question then suggestions that flow in.

in my opinion, the title could be: "what is the secret of 'looking ahead'"?

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