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Post by bonoan1027 on Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:46 pm

Remember when you picked up a cube for the first time and decide to solve it? Have you ever succeeded without the knowledge of the word "algorithms"? Have you solved it even if you did not ask your friend or dan brown for help? If yes... post and share na lang your experience:D

My experience.... ay.... i never did it without algs pala =))

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Re: Pure intuitive solving

Post by mikee177 on Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:49 pm

alam ko dti isang beses nka buo ako ng aksidente 2 faces haha

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Re: Pure intuitive solving

Post by Jome on Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:55 pm

Intuitive, never. Invented my own algorithms when I was studying the cube. Actually, discovered. Ken later on pointed out that my algorithms were inefficient variations of the ones used in LBL. Oh well. The suckiness of being a newbie then.

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Re: Pure intuitive solving

Post by jolo_mat2008 on Wed Jun 11, 2008 9:14 pm

no..never the whole cube..paisa isang face lang..Razz at enjoy na enjoy na ako nun..haha..Razz

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Re: Pure intuitive solving

Post by jusay_mitch29 on Wed Jun 11, 2008 9:56 pm

i discovered the lbl alg for the 2nd layer and nakabuo ako ng 3 faces oll skip po... i was like ndi ko na to gagalawin hanggat di ko pa alam pano buoin... tas nadiscover ko ung mga method ^_^

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Re: Pure intuitive solving

Post by i.luv.cube on Wed Jun 11, 2008 10:04 pm

Para sa katulad kong tamad, youtube ang katapat, or google. Napaka resourceful ko kasing tao, kaya ayun. I always do search Smile


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Re: Pure intuitive solving

Post by nanzkie31741 on Wed Jun 11, 2008 11:19 pm

ako.. isang face lng.. at natagalan pa ako ng isang oras bago mgawa un.. nagpapixur pa nga ako with the cube eh.. hehe

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Re: Pure intuitive solving

Post by sanosuky09 on Wed Jun 11, 2008 11:42 pm

when i was learning the cube back in 2001, RCF taught me how to form a side. then i discovered my own way up to the 2nd layer. then sa 3rd layer we consulted a book. di pa kasi kami masyadong gumagamit ng internet that time eh. and ang mahiwagang book na yun ay di na namin makita. last time na remember namin ay hiniram ng Physics teacher namin sa highschool. di namin natandaan kung naibalik ba nya or hindi. ayun.

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Re: Pure intuitive solving

Post by jusay_mitch29 on Wed Jun 11, 2008 11:45 pm

anung nasa book?

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Re: Pure intuitive solving

Post by Tricube on Thu Jun 12, 2008 12:09 am

Ako noon umaabot ako ng 7 mins. sa isang face!! Haha.. Tuwang-tuwa na 'ko non!! Nakatimer tlga yon!! Hehe Very Happy

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Re: Pure intuitive solving

Post by glad on Thu Jun 12, 2008 12:16 am

ako sinasalitsalit ko bawat face nun haha... tas tinuruan ako hanggang 2nd layer... so aun sa lahat ng sides gingwa ko ung 2 layers... una white tas gulo tas solve tas gulo...basta ganun lang 2wang 2wa na ko nun hehe

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Re: Pure intuitive solving

Post by banjorayos on Thu Jun 12, 2008 12:40 am

ung akin share ko lng. . .
nun tinatry ko buoin i spend half of my day every weekends
then accidentaly ko nabuo kabilaan then 3 cubies lng
ung mali ung pwesto,
tpos cnb q sa classmate ko,tpos sb nia kaya nia n daw second layer may patern sya
tpos try q ulit buoin ung nakita ko ung second layer buo sa classmate ko,tpos nabuo ko second layer kung ano ano lng gnwa q
hahahaha
for 3hours ^_^

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Re: Pure intuitive solving

Post by tungkel_08 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 4:43 am

eiow

aq nung bata p q nakakabuo na q ng 1 face lang

tuwang-tuwa nq q dun

then accidentally

nakabuo aq ng 2 faces. sobra tuwa q na naman

pero nung wala na yung rubik's ng cuz q tumigil aq.

then nakahawak aq college n ulet

nagulat aq kaxe ang bilis q bumuo ng 1 face.

any color p ng sabe q sa friend qng girl

tpos aun sinubukan q 1 face ng less 1 min

nagagawa q cya ng ganun kabilis pero wala p q alam sa 2nd layer nun

nung may klasmate aqng nagbigay ng lbl method samen

natuwa aq

xe nakabuo n q ng 1 buong-buo for the first time

then madame ng-aral samen nun. may rival aq dun eh.

bumilis din cya mga 2 min

eh d p q sanay nun. kaming 2 mabilis sa rum

nagrace p nga kame eh.nanalo aq.

nung nalaman q ung mga methods n iba. aun

ndi na nya q hinahamon

hehehe

aq naun ang pinakamabilis sa room namen

hahaha

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Re: Pure intuitive solving

Post by mondo107 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 11:39 am

yung pamangkin claimed she solved a 3x3 yuga intuitively in 1 day. pero di na raw nya maulit heheh

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Re: Pure intuitive solving

Post by MetaboringJohnCañares on Thu Jun 12, 2008 12:00 pm

I did it without algs for a year. But that is NOT intuitive, that is analysis. You cannot solve the cube by following your feelings, what your gut tells you prior from solving the cube. You can solve it through trial-and-error process and a heavy amount of thinking. People should know what intuitive means. Solving the cube intuitively is not in the beginner's level, in-fact its in the advance level already. When beginners solve the cube it requires a lot of thinking, not feelings. But when a cuber matures and gets a lot of experience, that experience turns into gut feelings (intuition), and that intuition is very helpful for cubers averaging 17 and below. Take note of that. Especially F2L, there is no such thing as intuitive F2L for beginners, and intuitive F2L is not learned from others but from your own experience. Intuitive F2L is one of the most advance form of F2L. I don't know who made this joke about intuitive F2L for beginners, I'm sure he doesn't know what intuitive means.

Intuitive na nga eh, tinuturo pa? Intuition is subjective, epistemologically speaking.


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Re: Pure intuitive solving

Post by MaZtR HaXoR on Thu Jun 12, 2008 12:03 pm

agree ako kay i.luv.cube. pero dati hangang 2nd layer lang nabuo ko. nyahahhaha. ndi ko pa alam lbl nun. sariling algs lang. sakit ulo ko nun. kaka imbento nyahahhaha

EDIT: same as here kuya john canares

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Re: Pure intuitive solving

Post by ronyu02 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:38 pm

The "intuitive" solution that I know is commutator based:

http://grrroux.free.fr/begin/Begin.html

I know, it's ironic that instructions for an intuitive method exist, but this one uses no long term memorization and teaches you how to derive the 4 necessary and sufficient "algos" as you solve. It's inefficient but elegant.

I don't know though if I could have figured out this method on my own, in true intuitive sense. But I believe it's possible for some.

Edited to add:

Those who play with the cube for the first time tend to "solve" in terms of stickers, not cubies. Hmm, dunno if you get what I mean, but I think that's a stumbling block for beginning attempts at an intuitive solution.

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Post by jbcañares on Thu Jun 12, 2008 8:06 pm

Intuitive F2L is very helpful for sub15, sub14, sub13, sub12, sub11 cubers.

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Re: Pure intuitive solving

Post by luk on Thu Jun 12, 2008 8:12 pm

yup yup...^_^.

gamit talaga ang intuitive solving...

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Re: Pure intuitive solving

Post by dotdotdot on Thu Jun 12, 2008 9:50 pm

hehe...ako nun 1 sang face lng alam ko...at it took me 4 hourz 2 figure out how 2 solve dat one face..hehe...pro nagpa turo ako ng lbl methd at corner switching...tas tawag ko sa mga algz noon "pattern"..hehe..^^

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Re: Pure intuitive solving

Post by marc_rendl on Thu Jun 12, 2008 9:58 pm

MetaboringJohnCañares wrote:I did it without algs for a year. But that is NOT intuitive, that is analysis. You cannot solve the cube by following your feelings, what your gut tells you prior from solving the cube. You can solve it through trial-and-error process and a heavy amount of thinking. People should know what intuitive means. Solving the cube intuitively is not in the beginner's level, in-fact its in the advance level already. When beginners solve the cube it requires a lot of thinking, not feelings. But when a cuber matures and gets a lot of experience, that experience turns into gut feelings (intuition), and that intuition is very helpful for cubers averaging 17 and below. Take note of that. Especially F2L, there is no such thing as intuitive F2L for beginners, and intuitive F2L is not learned from others but from your own experience. Intuitive F2L is one of the most advance form of F2L. I don't know who made this joke about intuitive F2L for beginners, I'm sure he doesn't know what intuitive means.

Intuitive na nga eh, tinuturo pa? Intuition is subjective, epistemologically speaking.

so what i did for 3x3x3 wasn't really intuitive at all.. haha.. rather, i used a trial-and-error specially for the last layer, wrote what i did. i solved 3x3x3 for bout 2-3months with a pen and paper.

everything else that i solved w/o algorithms after 3x3x3, like 2x2x2, 4x4x4, 5x5x5 were i guess pretty intuitive since i just ADAPTED the 3x3x3 solution and made a few little changes as i progressed. hehe. same for the megaminx in 3 hours (w/c i posted in another thread. haha)

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Re: Pure intuitive solving

Post by sanosuky09 on Sat Jun 14, 2008 8:02 pm

tama. i remember. trial and error yung ginawa ko papunta sa 2nd layer. pero sa third layer nosebleed na ako.

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Re: Pure intuitive solving

Post by venom on Sat Jun 14, 2008 8:28 pm

back in the early 80's, i was able to solve just 1 face. then summer of 1984, i started to read the manual included in a national bookstore cube. i learned to solve my cube after 3 weeks of studying. it was really LBL! back then, i was like the only one who could solve a cube in our community. sikat! haha! it took me about 105 secs to solve one. hehe.

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Post by TheJoker on Sat Jun 14, 2008 9:18 pm

ako... i post a brief history of my cubing... around 80's yun... grade 5 ako... 2nd grading when i see one sa klasmeyt ko...

took almost a week to solve a one face color... sikat na agad... tapos pabilisan... then ng magkaroon ako ng sarili ko... almost a year... kasi summer yun... mag-ge-grade 6 ako... mga fruits... original rubiks... naka crystal case na pabilog... transparent sya tapos black yun base... mga grapes, orange, apple etc...

with that cube with me the whole summer... i found out intuitively how to solve two face... yun magkatabi... yun ang pinakamari kong nasosolve using intuitive...

tapos kumalat nga ang solusyon... puro algs na... ang intuition na lang is yun first face or first layer... color neutral pa ako back then... up until this year... when i started to learn speedcubing... naging white base na ako...

hay... the old good days... sobra yabang ko nun... grade 6 na nakakabuo ng cube... that time bihira lang... ngayon kahit saan me magpunta marunong na lahat...

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Re: Pure intuitive solving

Post by jhameel_killua03 on Sun Jun 15, 2008 12:15 am

ako rin noon pa isa isang color lang nabuo ko noon eh.... Very Happy

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