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Post by Mr.Prince_X06 Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:59 am

tanong ko lang po., yung old pochman po ba yung method na gumagamit ng y perm for the corners., if not sino po gumagamit nito... may mga questions lng po ako...
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Post by kingpsyzor Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:09 am

tanong mo kay kidramos, alam ko kc ung y perm gngamit nya sa corners eh..
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Post by Mr.Prince_X06 Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:15 am

sige po salamat sa info..
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Post by TheJoker Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:02 am

ako i used Y perm pero sa 2 edge lang... para U2 and L2 lang setup moves ko at undo moves... the rest J perm...

pero i'm trying to use it... kasi mas madali sya...

wala ng orientation... salpak lang ng salpak parang sa edge ko...

dati kasi COCP+edge ako... ngayon trying to convert to corner+edge... visual memo... biruin mo first try sub4min agad... pero mahigit 10 solves puro mali corner ko... mali lang orientation... pero tama slot...

thanks po... hehehehehhehe... Very Happy:D:D:D

ano po question nyo about this method...???
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Post by Mr.Prince_X06 Fri Jul 18, 2008 1:43 pm

di ba kuya kung anu yung nasa URB un ang ililipat sa ibang place., panu pag simula palang nabuo na yun?? anung gagwin?
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Post by TheJoker Fri Jul 18, 2008 2:37 pm

shoot mo sya sa ibang corners slot... ako lagi sa tabi... so kung ang URB is the correct slot already... shoot mo sya sa ULB...

then continue the cycle...

maganda lang kasi dito sa Y perm CORNER... no more orientation... pero madami setup moves... per sticker... alhtough 2 moves max per setup moves and undo moves... 3 x nga lang per corners...

wala pa me memo method for this no orientation CORNER Y perm... visual lang din... unlike sa edges ko... i came up with a memo method kaso ako lang ata makakaintindi... number and visual...

okay po... heheheheheh... Very Happy:D:D:D:D
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Post by Mr.Prince_X06 Fri Jul 18, 2008 9:52 pm

ah ok po., lipat ko rin siya sa iba., hehehe.., pag isipan ko rin muna pano ko memorize., gusto ko na talga matuto ng BLD., hehehe., baka may mas madali kang method sa memorization., mas mahirap kasi yung memo kesa sa method., hehehe
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Post by kingpsyzor Sat Jul 19, 2008 10:05 am

aba c kuya allan nagtuturo na... hehehe... ^_^

mejo madugo kc pag y perm gamit sa corners, although mag mbilis sya kc no more orientation.. but the memorization will kill you, kc 3 dpat setup moves mo.. but if you have a good memo method, i think ok ung y perm method for corners... mron me nrinig na advance method for corners using y perm, only 1 set up move for each corner tpos 3 algo ung kakabisaduhin mo... kc 3 stickers ung nsa corner pc. eh...
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Post by cupid Sat Jul 19, 2008 10:21 am


ung y perm sa bld hnd lang sa old pochman cia gnagamit.,
mron din y perm sa 3 cycle for switching 3 edges.,
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Post by ert_anjo Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:51 pm

Y perm din ang alm kong gamitin pero pede din namn ung T perm,.
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Post by Mr.Prince_X06 Sat Jul 19, 2008 6:15 pm

may tanong nmn po ako., sa M2., panu pag yung M nlng ang scrambled?? kunwari 3 nlng., or not oriented properly??
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Post by ert_anjo Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:00 am

ahhhhh.,

parity.,

3 edge nalng db,

try mong gawin to .

ung dalawa nsa U slice, prang UF at UB.

then ung isa namn nasa D slice, DF.

ito ung algo, D U' F B' R2 F' B U' D', CounterClockwise yan, ung edge piece na nsa DF pupunta sa UB.

ito namn ung clockwiese, D U F B' R2 U D'.,

intndhin mo nlng explanation ko ehehhe..

sana mkatulong .,ehhe Smile
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Post by meaty21 Sun Jul 20, 2008 1:26 pm

actually, ung ginagamit ni kuya allan na y-perm, pwede rin gamitin sa 2 cycle eh. tinry ko dati yan. orient corners then permute using y-perm kasi hirap ako magmemo sa oldpochman corners, pero hindi ako comfortable sa set up moves, kaya binalik ko sa j-perm. and yes, old pochman corners po ung sinasabi mo. nakakalito kasi nung sinabi mong "yung old pochman po ba yung method na gumagamit ng y perm for the corners.", kasi pwede rin gamitin ang y-perm sa 2-cycle. anyways, ayun. haha.
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Post by TheJoker Mon Jul 21, 2008 11:07 am

ooopsss. sorry... di ko nasabi... OLD POCHMAN method po eh mga walang ORIENTATIONS... like meaty21 said...

di ko alam kung sino ang nag enhance that it break to ORIENTATION and PERMUTATION... using J and T perm... CO CP EO EP... mas mabilis kasi memo ng bago kaysa sa OLD POCHMAN... pero mas mabilis execution ng OLD POCHMAN...

pero ang M2 dito kinuha sa old pochman... with the inventor itself...

i'm currently using OLD POCHMAN + M2... kaso sabit sabit me sa M2... especially pag nasa M slice na yun edge...

@ert_anjo...
yan ata yun pag 3 edge na lang pero naka orient naman... pero try ko din yan...

add lang me ng tanong... about M2...

paano kung sa cycle mo eh yun isang edge para sa M slice then the next is sa M slice din...

ang nangyayari paikot ikot lang ako eh...

for example... kung next target mo is FU... U2 M' U2 M'... tapos ang susunod is BD... M U2 M U2...

eh grabe... umuulit lang me.. kabisado ko po yun 3 pang algs sa M slice... UF, UB at DB...

any tutorials na okay sa M2... sa example ni pochman wala sya awkward or parity case eh...

thanks po...
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Post by luxyz Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:58 pm

honga sinu ba d2 mga m2 ang gamit?
mgtatanong din ako, panu ba ilalagay sa UF, UB, DB ng ksabay ang orient kpag ndi oriented ung ilalagay mo? kc kng kunwari nkalagay sa DF ung edge na ndi oriented, pag nlagay mu sya sa UF ndi pden oriented.. posible ba dun ang permute and orient o tlgang mgkaiba pa??

@joker, ung sau yata kung kunwari ang target mo ay UF den DB.. ang mngyayari,target mo ay UF den UF ulet.. kc ung DB mo mpupunta sa UF pag ng M2 ka..
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Post by ert_anjo Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:51 pm

@ kuya joker,

oo nga wala xang binigay na example.,

ang gngawa ko.,

db 3 nlnf ntitira, ung DF mo punta sa UF, ung BF punta sa DF,

x D U F B' R2 U D'.,

try mo nlng.,
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Post by TheJoker Tue Jul 22, 2008 11:02 am

@ert_anjo... thanks for the 3 algs... okay sya...

@luxyz... yup... i found out that already... kasi di talaga puwede iikot ka lang... kakatry... ayun kuha na...

i tried the 3 example of pochman... wow... memo is sub3... pero execution... avg 1:30... grabe... so kung mapapaba ko ng 1 minute ang memo... then siguradong sub3 sa BLD...

puwede na hehehehehehe... Very Happy:D:D:D:D:D
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Post by kingpsyzor Tue Jul 22, 2008 11:26 am

ok b ung M2 sa BLD?... prang gus2 ko na kc mgpalit ng methos sa edges eh...
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Post by TheJoker Tue Jul 22, 2008 11:40 am

@mark... okay naman sya... kaso may maliit na lang problema pagdating sa M slice... yun mga edges sa M slice pag naencounter mo... nagugulo yun cylce ko... pero gumawa me ng way para mabreak yun sa M slice...

kaso bumabagsak me 2 edge na di naka orient... although madali lang yun algs para orient yun dalawang edge...

M' U M' U M' U2 M U M U M U2

kaso di ko malaman sa memo ko kung nakaorient ba sya or hindi... kasi pag break ko at umikot M2... di ko na matrace kung orient or not orient... hehehehehehhehe... Very Happy:D:D:D:D

at PB ko sa M2.. 8 edges lang... un 2 di naka orient at un isa tama na... 28.13 seconds... walang awkward or parity case... biruin mo... ang bilis...
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Post by kingpsyzor Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:11 pm

ha???????? paturo M2 hehehe.... mas ok ba memo method nun??
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Post by TheJoker Tue Jul 22, 2008 2:11 pm

@pareho lang po ang memo... the same pa rin... setup moves lang pinagkaiba...

since OLD pochman gamit natin sa EDGES... so walang pinagkaiba...

dali lang nya... naguguluhan pa nga lang me sa mga edge na nasa M slice... dun me nagkakalat... heheheheheheheh... Very Happy:D:D:D
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Post by kingpsyzor Tue Jul 22, 2008 2:20 pm

ah ok cge, paturo ako ng M2 tpos pagaaralan ko nlng ung edges na nasa M slice... ^^ sbi m kc mas mblis execution eh.. hehe
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Post by ert_anjo Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:34 pm

nice kuya allan.,

hirap akong mgmemo sa edge.,
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Post by TheJoker Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:11 pm

ako di ko pa rin mabuo cube pag nasa m slice sya... ang solution ko is shoot ko sya sa ibang edge... then continue the cycle... 70% success rates... at ang bilis po talaga...

yun 30% unsuccessfull... eh yun two remaining edge na di naka orient... di ko malaman sa memo pag nacycle ko na syang lahat... laging may naiiwan na two edge unoriented...

makukuha ko rin eto... heheheheheheh... Very Happy:D:D:D
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Post by jr Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:58 pm

ako M2 bldist din ako
mas mabilis i memo ang M2 kaysa sa 3cycle

imagine mo lang kuya Joker kung ano ang nangyayari sa edges
sanayin ninyo po wag i-shoot sa ibang edges bagkus
umiba nang face like ginagawa ni ROWE hessler
kung wala nang continous edges sa down layer
mag 3 cycle na lang

yun ang pinaprctice ko ngayon

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