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Post by sdj3rd on Sat Sep 06, 2008 12:17 am

Here's my story:

I was cubing in the Library using MobileCube Scrambler installed in my cellphone, when I encountered an amazing scramble and solved it in 26.xx, considering that I am an inconsistent sub30 cuber, it was a pretty good solve for me, but i was not satisfied, i want a sub20 solve! So out of my curiosity if i can reach a sub20 solve, i repeated the scramble and solved it again, and of course my time improved, i solved the scramble and got a time of 24.xx secs, but after solving it a couple of times I never got a sub20 solve, my best time was 23.xx secs, I was so dissappointed.

And now I ask my self, Can I still be a sub20 solver? Because even if I repeatedly solve this scramble I cannot obtain a sub20 solve, how can i break that barrier if even this single scramble prevents me from obtaining that elusive sub20 solve...educate me.

Here's the scramble:
U L' D B2 R' L' D' R2 U F2 R2 B' L' F2 R' D2 L2 R U2 R L2 D2 B F' D

And here's my solution:
Cross: R L2 F D L U' R
1st Pair: d R' U2 R U2 R' U R
2nd Pair: y' R' U R
3rd Pair: U2 R U2 R' d' L U' L'
4th Pair: y' R U' R' d R' U R
OLL: U (R U R' U R' F R F' U2 R' F R F')
PLL: y' (M'2 U M'2 U M' U2 M'2 U2 M' U2)


Can you give me your thoughts on this one?
You can also post your own solution to the scramble... Thank you!

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Re: Have I Reached my Limit?!

Post by omarismyname on Sat Sep 06, 2008 1:46 am

finger tricks probably kasi d na factor ang recognition/look ahead kasi inulit ulit na... saka napansin ko lang bawat f2l pair mo merong cube rotation or d/d'. saka nababagalan ako sa z perm na yan. saka yung last f2l pair pwede mo rin insert this way: (U) RB'R'B para ma orient 2edges para masmadali OLL. yun mga napansin ko, i hope it helps

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Re: Have I Reached my Limit?!

Post by trane2122 on Sat Sep 06, 2008 9:09 am

hey there. na try mo na ba mag slow solve? kasi ganyan din ginawa ko noon. tinignan ko kung kaya ko mag sub20 sa isang scramble lang. sub 30 pa ako nung time na yun. ayun naka 4 apat na try ako bago ako naka 17.xx secs nun. after that, gumawa din ako ng solutions ko. nung una hanngang 17.xx lang talaga ang limitation nung solution na ginawa ko. pero nung tinry ko siya i-slow solve, may mas short moves pa pala and ang dali mag hanap ng next na pair. and also use symetries. gumamit din ako ng edge control dun kasi dot case yun OLL na lumalabas (hindi ko alam mga dot case Razz). and about your Z perm, its cool. sub 1.5 Z perm ko, parehas tayo ng z perm. ayun. and if you are stuck with your current average. click here. http://pinoyspeedcubers.forumotion.com/speedcubing-f7/for-the-cubers-who-solve-the-cube-in-20-25-seconds-t3543.htm

hope it helps. you can PM me kung may iba ka pang tanong ETC. Razz


Last edited by trane2122 on Sat Sep 06, 2008 9:11 am; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : la lang. :P)

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Re: Have I Reached my Limit?!

Post by jolo_mat2008 on Sat Sep 06, 2008 9:29 am

uhm..sub 20 solves will come in time po..no rush..no stress no stress no stress..hehehe..Smile wala namang hinahabol na oras..intayin mo lang na magimprove ka gradually..slowly but surely kumbaga..i got my first sub20 solve nung sub 28 ako..since inconsistent sub 30 ka pa po..then there's no rush talaga..ung iba nga nakakasub 20 solve lang kapag sub 25 na..magtaka ka kapag sub 21 ka na wala ka pang sub 20 solve..hehehe..Razz no..you haven't reached your limit yet..there's ALWAYS room for improvement.Smile btw i wouldn't slow solve muna if i were you..i would wait until im sub25..Smile

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Re: Have I Reached my Limit?!

Post by thirdrecords on Sat Sep 06, 2008 6:34 pm

Hmm.. For me I can say na there is no limitations for as long as you train harder and harder to achieve your goal. May nabasa nga ako dun sa mga old cubing blog na dati ang akala ng lahat na ang limitation lng ng fridrich ay 15-12 seconds lng pero nung narating na ng tao ang sub 11-sub 7 solves mas bibilis pa pala ito..Kaya parang sa training din para mabrake ang barriers akala natin na stuck na tayo pero kung mag train pa tayo siguradong mabreak natin yung barriers Smile

Hope it inspires you Smile Keep on Cubing!

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Re: Have I Reached my Limit?!

Post by ni09ne on Sun Sep 07, 2008 3:36 pm

ahm..ung scramble mo..sinubukan ko..ive done it in 17.89secs.. ec cross lang xa..instead of Cross: (R L2 F D L U' R) here's mine F R' U' L y R2 L2 same count pero mas mabilis ung akin kung ttgnan at ggwin..and kung alam mo ang advanz f2l mas mapapabilis..my f2l pair kaagad n in 7 moves mapapasok na..1st Pair: L2 U2 L' U' L U' L2 then ung 2nd is nasa R face mo.. 2nd Pair: F' U F then for the 3rd.. y L U L' U2 L U' L' then 4th.. U2 y' R' U' R..OLL: U (M R U R' U R U2 R' U M')
PLL: U' y' (R' d' F R2 Uw R' U R U' R U'w R2).. yan po..

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Re: Have I Reached my Limit?!

Post by johnpaul_custodio1908 on Sun Sep 07, 2008 6:25 pm

kung ako yan,sure napaka-hahaba ng moves ko
kasi kagulo na ako pagdating sa f2l eh
nag-sslow solve ako ay lalong nabagal but at least naunti yung moves ko
sigurado na kung masanay na ako sa slowsolve
ay magiging sub20 din ako

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Re: Have I Reached my Limit?!

Post by xion06 on Mon Sep 08, 2008 11:36 am

mag iimprove k p po akala mo lng hindi kac lahat nmn tayo dumanas ng ganyan eh akala ntin d n mag aadjust ung time ntin pero kung lagi tyo mag pra-practice baba ung oras ntin ng hindi ntin namamalayan, ung lang po base on my expirience lng po yan Very Happy

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Re: Have I Reached my Limit?!

Post by trane2122 on Mon Sep 08, 2008 9:14 pm

thirdrecords wrote:For me I can say na there is no limitations for as long as you train harder and harder to achieve your goal.

in some other things, i agree.

but in cubing, stupidity men, you know what i mean. if you dont, THINK!



@babe- look ahead and finger tricks? thats not enough.---------- do also what superken does, not only look ahead but also THINK ahead. be sure you know what happens next to the cubies after executing a certain alg in f2l coz sometimes while we are executing a certain alg and at the same time we are looking on our next pair(or corner piece), sometimes the corner accidentally flips Clockwise or Anti-clockwise. And try to learn symmetries, it can cut down your time and also the cube rotations. And oh, also try to do blind spots or also known as Prediction, its cool (i guess, Razz).hmm. what else.. try to learn some algs in F2L(only the special cases coz some of them is very stupid to execute intuitively Razz). And last but not the least, memo your OLL and PLL. dont copy JOLO who is sub 20 with 2look LL Razz and check sir pajos thread in speedcubing section(the sticky post).



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Re: Have I Reached my Limit?!

Post by thirdrecords on Tue Sep 09, 2008 11:53 am

trane2122 wrote:
thirdrecords wrote:For me I can say na there is no limitations for as long as you train harder and harder to achieve your goal.

in some other things, i agree.

but in cubing, stupidity men, you know what i mean. if you dont, THINK!

Who's stupid then? Why would you have quoted some parts of my post?

@bold

What are you trying to say? I don't know what you are trying to emphasize but I sense insecurities with your posts eh(correct me if im wrong)? I also noticed and remembered something...you know what I mean. if you don't, THINK.

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Re: Have I Reached my Limit?!

Post by johnpaul_custodio1908 on Tue Sep 09, 2008 7:21 pm

thirdrecords wrote:
trane2122 wrote:
thirdrecords wrote:For me I can say na there is no limitations for as long as you train harder and harder to achieve your goal.

in some other things, i agree.

but in cubing, stupidity men, you know what i mean. if you dont, THINK!

Who's stupid then? Why would you have quoted some parts of my post?

@bold

What are you trying to say? I don't know what you are trying to emphasize but I sense insecurities with your posts eh(correct me if im wrong)? I also noticed and remembered something...you know what I mean. if you don't, THINK.

mga tol wag kayo mag-away!!!

sinabi na sakin ni trane sa chatroom na hindi na kailangan ng goal bcuz its not so important but hindi ako sumasangayun dun pero sa ngayun ay di na ako nag-gogoal sa sarili kasi nadating nalang ang time na magiging sub20 tayo dahil sa pagsisikap like what kuya jolo said!!!

may point si trane sa sinabi nya hindi sa kinakampihan ko sya kasi may limitation ang lahat ng bagay eh,
ang naintindihan ko sa sinabi ni trane ay yung may limit kasi hindi na ma-sosolve yun cube in less than 5 seconds so may limit

sensya na po sa reply

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Re: Have I Reached my Limit?!

Post by trane2122 on Tue Sep 09, 2008 9:10 pm

thirdrecords wrote:
trane2122 wrote:
thirdrecords wrote:For me I can say na there is no limitations for as long as you train harder and harder to achieve your goal.

in some other things, i agree.

but in cubing, stupidity men, you know what i mean. if you dont, THINK!

Who's stupid then? Why would you have quoted some parts of my post?

@bold

What are you trying to say? I don't know what you are trying to emphasize but I sense insecurities with your posts eh(correct me if im wrong)? I also noticed and remembered something...you know what I mean. if you don't, THINK.


no limitations in speedcubing?? wag ka ngang bobo pwede? insecurities?? san banda?? paki linaw nga kung saan? nung una wala akong sinabing stupid ka, sabi ko stupidity yun. ngayon meron. duh.

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Re: Have I Reached my Limit?!

Post by johnpaul_custodio1908 on Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:55 pm

@trane....napaliwanag ko na yung tungkol dun
tigil na sa misunderstanding
nasabi ko na na imposible na ma-solve ang cube in less than 5 seconds
there is always a limitation!!!
peace!!!

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Re: Have I Reached my Limit?!

Post by seirrah on Wed Sep 10, 2008 7:50 pm

finger tricks lang ata kulang mo.... siguro improve mo na rin f2l mo.... ^^, ako nga nung summer sub 25 no oll and pll... i mean switching lang gamit ko pag solve ng last layer... ^^

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Re: Have I Reached my Limit?!

Post by thirdrecords on Wed Sep 10, 2008 9:08 pm

johnpaul_custodio1908 wrote:@trane....napaliwanag ko na yung tungkol dun
tigil na sa misunderstanding
nasabi ko na na imposible na ma-solve ang cube in less than 5 seconds
there is always a limitation!!!
peace!!!
maybe.. But no one knows Smile

Dun nman kay trane no need to argue with that Pre-schooler hanggang yabang lang nman yan..simpleng spelling p nga lang hirap na siya eh Wink Lakas pa mag trashtalk Very Happy

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Re: Have I Reached my Limit?!

Post by trane2122 on Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:12 pm

thirdrecords wrote:
johnpaul_custodio1908 wrote:@trane....napaliwanag ko na yung tungkol dun
tigil na sa misunderstanding
nasabi ko na na imposible na ma-solve ang cube in less than 5 seconds
there is always a limitation!!!
peace!!!
maybe.. But no one knows Smile

Dun nman kay trane no need to argue with that Pre-schooler hanggang yabang lang nman yan..simpleng spelling p nga lang hirap na siya eh Wink Lakas pa mag trashtalk Very Happy

jp- pwede masolve ng less than 5seconds siguro kung sobrang lucky case. pero kung average. imposible.

preschooler? haha noob ka talaga. hindi lang naman siguro ako yung nagkakamali mag type noh. Pake mo kung nag tatrashtalk ako? Perfectionist ka masyado. Oo mayabang ako sobra. pake mo?

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Re: Have I Reached my Limit?!

Post by paololzki on Thu Sep 11, 2008 12:12 am

TRANE and THIRD:

Please stop bashing each other. NOW! Use the PM function if you want to argue with each other. Be mature guys.

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Re: Have I Reached my Limit?!

Post by jettyboy1 on Thu Sep 11, 2008 1:20 am

TO TRANE2122 and THIRDRECORDS:

alright, i have been watching this topic since it was created. i was thinking of replying to this sometime, until this 'opinion' thing came up and the 'stupidity' etcetc 'yes/no to limitations' etcetc. and i was hoping this would be resolved since johnpaul here, is sensible enough to tell you guys to stop.

first of all, this forum is NOT made for arguments.
you should listen to others opinion and accept their point of view. if you want to go against it, DO NOT try to diss them or put them down in any sort of way. this will not resolve anything but to have more angry posts towards each other.

you guys should STOP this ruckus and apologize to each other through pm. and i hope you actually do this because in this community, we're supposed to make good connections with each other, not ruin them. so please say sorry to each other sincerely. i would like to see you to come to terms.

people's opinions should be respected by others. when someone posts something that appears logical to them, respect it. you can give your opinion but don't say that their opinion is wrong/bad/stupid<. if you give your opinion, they might think about it and maybe just change their mind. if they don't, then leave the person be. not everyone thinks the same as you do. people have their own way of looking at things. please don't try and force them to think like you do.

also, your hurtful posts also affect the other users who are browsing this forum. in my opinion, this is a good thread and you guys just ruined it. your posts are more like off topic spam right here.

and for this, i shall give you both a WARNING each. if this happens again (to anyone), a warning will be given and sooner or later you'll be in deep trouble.

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@johnpaul, thank you for being sensible and telling you to stop.
you deserve a HIGH FIVE! Very Happy

@paololzki, thank you for telling to be more mature. and to stop bashing each other.
another HIGH FIVE! Very Happy

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Re: Have I Reached my Limit?!

Post by sdj3rd on Thu Sep 11, 2008 9:24 pm

My gratitude to those who spent time posting their ideas in this topic, now my hopes are up in obtaining that most awaited sub20 solve.

Last night while doing an average of 50 solves, i almost got a sub20 on my 38th solve, 20.22! Because of this I am pretty sure I am still far from my limit.

And for the question, "Is There a Limit in Cubing?"

For me, of course there is, one day, each one of us will just stop cubing because we find ourselves not improving anymore, and yes, even nakajima and other great cubers out there will reach their limit. they will grow up, and proceed to other endeavors that they find amusing, where they will find new growth.

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Re: Have I Reached my Limit?!

Post by johnpaul_custodio1908 on Sat Sep 13, 2008 6:52 am

dapat lang naman pong gawin ang nararapat eh kuya jettyboy

marami pong salamat kuya jettyboy!!!

ang limitation ay laging makakamit kung ikaw ay nasa dulo na
basta isipin mo na lang na kaya mo yan

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Re: Have I Reached my Limit?!

Post by lorcan on Thu Sep 25, 2008 1:23 am

syng wla ako nung may away =) peace

grabe nmn kau, wer family hir ryt?

wag nmn mag away dhil sa misunderstandings, irespect niu ung opinion ng bwat isa,,

ako nga lage din nppgltan, ung post ko nga lng nun isang araw na QUOTE heheh, pero ok lng nag ssry nmn ako dhil mali nmn tlga ko sa na post ko,

=)

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Re: Have I Reached my Limit?!

Post by i.luv.cube on Thu Sep 25, 2008 11:59 am

lorcan wrote:syng wla ako nung may away =) peace

grabe nmn kau, wer family hir ryt?

wag nmn mag away dhil sa misunderstandings, irespect niu ung opinion ng bwat isa,,

ako nga lage din nppgltan, ung post ko nga lng nun isang araw na QUOTE heheh, pero ok lng nag ssry nmn ako dhil mali nmn tlga ko sa na post ko,

=)

bro, bakit mo pa binuhay? patay na eh.. Chia warned them na and the lesson have been said..

and about the limit, my personal opinion is....

you'll really never know what your true limit is until you have done everything.. your limit might extend, like for now, my limit is that I can solve sub30 sometimes, after a lot of practice and POSITIVE THINKING that I can still improve, then I might break it..

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Re: Have I Reached my Limit?!

Post by lorcan on Thu Sep 25, 2008 1:20 pm

i.luv.cube wrote:
lorcan wrote:syng wla ako nung may away =) peace

grabe nmn kau, wer family hir ryt?

wag nmn mag away dhil sa misunderstandings, irespect niu ung opinion ng bwat isa,,

ako nga lage din nppgltan, ung post ko nga lng nun isang araw na QUOTE heheh, pero ok lng nag ssry nmn ako dhil mali nmn tlga ko sa na post ko,

=)

bro, bakit mo pa binuhay? patay na eh.. Chia warned them na and the lesson have been said..

and about the limit, my personal opinion is....

you'll really never know what your true limit is until you have done everything.. your limit might extend, like for now, my limit is that I can solve sub30 sometimes, after a lot of practice and POSITIVE THINKING that I can still improve, then I might break it..

kgv ko lng kc nbsa, sry d ko nmn alam. .

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Re: Have I Reached my Limit?!

Post by jettyboy1 on Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:03 am

lorcan wrote:kgv ko lng kc nbsa, sry d ko nmn alam. .

please stop using text speak use formal spelling for words, (e.g: kgv... kagabi)

also, please take notice of when the last post was, and debate to yourself whether or not you should actually post
as some people can tell, this thread is old, so no one is posting here. there has also been a little fracas here that i have taken care of, so maybe you should have thought of not bringing back this old thread...

and using text speak is really really really annoying.

lorcan wrote: How will i maintain my time
kuya dba po pag naghanap k ng bagong algos, eh try to find ung may mggndang finger trickz na algos. .....
e2 po, gmgmit aq lage ng U' , using my left finger not the right thumb, kc parng mas mblis po aq pag gmit ko un e, lalo n pag sa U pirme. . e dpnde po sau kung san po kau komportable. .....
hehe aq ata sub 25 nnmn bhra n xe ko mag cube huhu nlmpasn nq ng mga kaklase ko cgru huhu
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few moves from cross to f2l
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scramble solve lng poh, drting k din sa sub 20,
ako din dati gnya halos isng week cgro ko stuck sa sub 30, hnggang aun, nag sub 25 aq, tpos naun sub 20 na.
tpos. may mga time din na tumataas ung ave ku, cgro bblik sa sub 25 gnun,
pagod n cgro ung kamay ko nun, kc nung high school ako, cube lng ng cube khit break time.
e nagkataon, c orata lage nag aaya hahah aun . . =)
cgro ung unahan namen sa pag cu2be nktulong din, with adrenaline, ptos pag iisip ng mbilis at sa pagtingn =)

huh? i didnt get you at all. i know some people might understand, but others may not.
so please, no text speak next time or i'll just delete your post without even reading what it's about.

Thank you.

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Re: Have I Reached my Limit?!

Post by lorcan on Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:14 am

kuya opo inaayos ko na po yung pag popost ko.. ayan po hindi na po text speak.

from now on, complete na po ako pag mag post

pasensya na po, paki delete nalang po yung post ko

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