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Post by chimpzi Thu Oct 23, 2008 6:50 pm

help nman po..
gets ko nman po kng panu ung logic s edges, and halos gets ko n ung s corners, kc dba depende dun s top color ng buffer piece m ibabase ung set-up move tsaka ung pg-memo..[correct me if i'm wrong, un kasi n-gets ko eh..Very Happy ]

ask lng po ako, kc di ko mgets ung kng panu imemo ung corners, ung nkita ko kc dati is ung colors s pgmemo is pa-clockwise daw.. ewan, di ko nga magets eh.. hehe kc kng lahat ng colors per cube ung ggmitin ko, cguradong mraming cases un. 3 case per corner...

tas panu po ung pgmemo nyo dun s part n breaking into new cycle??.. kc dba icoconsider m din ung color ng ipapalit m s buffer zone??..
sana matulungan nyo po ako.. tnx...

PS: ung s corners pala, plano ko gamitin ung y perm lng pra di ko na aralin ung s classic pochamnn alg...Very Happy

tnx po, Godbless..Surprised Surprised

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Post by pmarcelino5 Thu Oct 23, 2008 11:08 pm

actually bro, mas madali lang ang corner compare to edges...
kung y perm ang gagamitin mo, ok lang...
bigyan lang kita ng konting idea... sana makatulong...
kung ang front mo ay red, top ay white, left ay green...
1 = w-o-g
2 = w-o-b
3 = w-r-b
4 = w-r-g
5 = y-o-g
6 = y-o-b
7 = y-r-b
8 = y-r-g
then, buffer zone ay 3.. steady ang 1...
then, position mo yung tamang pagkakasunod-sunod..
first look doon sa 1 position.. (ex. y-r-g = Cool, position mo yung 8 zone sa 3 then execute ang y perm... so on and so.....
hope it helps...
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Post by chimpzi Fri Oct 24, 2008 11:46 am

gets ko po.. pro pnu po un kc dba icoconsider m ung kulay nya?? kc sbay ang orientation and permutation eh.. hmmm...

un un main prob ko... s edges ok lng kc dalawang kulay lng...huhu

nid ko lng tlga ng clarification..

anyway, tnx po tlga s tulong...

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Post by tungkel_08 Sat Nov 01, 2008 11:09 am

dba ndi aman poh sabay na orient and permute???

xe ung napanuod q dun kay seerusgod sabe eh ok lang daw kahit ndi permutated basta daw dapat oriented muna ung corners. ung video nya bout sa 2 cycle

ang gulo aman anu b talaga poh???



ei may tanung lang aq sa 2 cycle about sa CORNER PERMUTATION

dba ung algo dun eh L U' R' U L' U2 R U' R' U2 R

dba it solves the two corners and ung dalawang edges ung parang J perm # 2

eh di pede gamitin n lang ung mismong algo sa J perm????

pakisagot lang poh please
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Post by pmarcelino5 Sat Nov 01, 2008 5:26 pm

yung L U' R' U L' U2 R U' R' U2 R eh corner orientation lang yun...
tatlo talaga pll gaagmitin mo para mas madali sa 2 cycle, t, j1 and j2 sa edge ....
ok..
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Post by tungkel_08 Sun Nov 02, 2008 3:29 pm

corner permutaion poh ung algo na yun eh.xe un ung nangyayare ndi poh ata cya orientation sa pagkakaalam q
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Post by luxyz Mon Nov 03, 2008 1:00 pm

@tungkel
pwede sa corners ang walang orientation..
at pwede ring mgorient muna bgo ipermute.. my kanyakanya kasi sila advantage at disadvantage.. kaya ang pagpili ng method e yung depende kung san ka komportable..^^

para sa corner permutation nga yang alg na yan.. halos lahat naman ng perms pdeng gamitin sa bld exept g perm..
pwede mu gamitin ung Jperm kung gusto mo, kaso ung buffer mo nsa likod.. hehehe..basta ang mga setup move hndi nagagalaw ung mga edge na pinagpapalit ng perm para hindi magulo yung cube..
sa 2 cycle..
Tperm ginagamit ng iba sa edge, kasi nakahiwalay ung isang edge, madali ung setup..
Yperm sa corners kasi nkahiwalay ung isa corner, madali isetup..
at kung sa 3 cycle, Uperm at Aperm..
un parang mga ganun lng..

d ko maintindihan yung tanong ni chimpzi.. pero kung nagagawa mo ung edges ng walang orientation, isipin mo prang ganun lang din yun sa corners.. by sticker ang pagmemo pag walang orientation, kaya isipin mo parang sticker ung pinagpapalit mo hindi ung corner..^^
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Post by tungkel_08 Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:13 pm

@LUXYZ

ahmm gamet ko naun eh 2 cycle and may mga ginawa aqng sarili qng method ng pagsolve pero 2 cycle p din cya ha

ung sa memo q ng corners eh db kunyare yung sa buffer position dapat ndi nagagalaw tapos may narinig p q kay seerusgod na undisturbed zone ewan ko pero di koh maintindihan yun kaya may sarili aqng ginagawa

xe ung sa buffer position q eh ung cubie sa harap then ung undisturbed zone DAW eh ung nasa likod (nasa right side ng cube ha) then ung sa undisturbed zone n yun ung hahanapin q kung san cya ilalagay then kunyari dapat eh nasa # 7 place cya, ilalagay q naun sa buffer position ung cubbie sa 7th place then T-perm para magpalit sila then balik ko na so tama na ung cubbie sa 7th place then kung anu yung pumalit na cubbie sa undisturbed zone DAW eh ganun ulit gagawen ko hanapin ko let kung san cya dapat.so ang memo ko dun eh ganito........

ex ..

C- clockwise
A- counter clockwise


mula sa cubbie # 4 A C A (ung place ng cubbie #1 eh ndi papakiaalaman) C C A C

"corner orientation yan"
then "corner permutation"

ung cubbie # 2 ung undisturbed zone

2 - 5(ung cubbie sa # 2 eh pupunta sa 5th place) then ang sumunod na eh

2
4
3
6
7
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.
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ganyan lang memo ko xe alam q n na ung mapupunta sa # 2 place eh ung galing sa pinaglalagyan nung pinalitan nya

ayun hehehehe sana naintindihan nyo hehehehe
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Post by luxyz Tue Nov 04, 2008 12:28 pm

ahh.. galing..^^

ung undisturbed zone po kasi dapat hindi sya nagagalaw kapag nagseset-up ka.. kasi pag nagalaw un, sira.. dun sa alg na binigay mo na L U' R' U L' U2 R U' R' U2 R, ang undisturbed zone jan e ung 3(UBR) at ung buffer zone ay ung 2(UFR)
kaya naging undisturbed din yung 3 kasi kahit anong rotation para magalaw ung 3, magagalaw ung UB or UR edge.. un ang dapat hindi magalaw..

kung Tperm na po ginagamit mo, mejo may kakaiba jan, kasi diba ang nagpapalit eh ung UL and UR edge then UFR and UBR?
eh pano kung ang next target mo eh ung 4(UBL)? diba ang set up dun para makarating sa buffer zone ung UBL eh R2 F2?
pag un lang ang gagawin mo setup move my possibility na magkamali ka kasi dapat dagdagan mo un ng R2 pa kasi nailipat mo ung UL edge sa baba.. kaya dapat ibalik sya..
so kapag ang next target mo, 4(UBL) magsetup ka ngR2 F2 R2 tapos (Tperm) then R2 F2 R2ang undo set up..
ok? pro kung alam mu na to edi aus..^^

dagdag kaalaman lang po..^^
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Post by tungkel_08 Tue Nov 04, 2008 12:59 pm

hahaha yup lam q na poh lumabas yung ganyan eh napagaralan q na poh cya ehehehe salamat ng dame luxyz hahahahaha

enge ng tips sa memo ng edges

hirap aq dun eh

nga pla ang solve q xe ganito

CO CP then edges na.ndi naman na kelangan ng orientation eh ndi q na xa inoorient xe ndi q lam kung panu iorient hahahaha pero nagagawa q sya ng base lang sa set-up moves.kaya aman cya eh

kaso nga ung memo sa edges nahihirapan aq mejo nalilito q at napagpapalit q hehehehehe

TIP AMAN sa memo ng edges

hehehehe
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Post by chimpzi Tue Nov 04, 2008 9:35 pm

ahehe
naguluhan tuloy ako...
dba sbay ung permutation and orientation s 2cycle kc by sticker ng cubie ung minimemo m eh.. hnd by cubie... un pgkakaalam ko..

hmmm

@luxyz
ung tanong ko po is kng pano imemo ung corners..
ala mko na ngaun kung panu ung edges and corners..
alam ko n din kung panu at anu gagawin pagimememo m xa...
ang prob ko nlng ngaun, kung an0ngn memo teknik...
nghahanap pa ako ng memo teknik na mdadalian ako...

un ung prob ko n ngaun..
ang kung my isaswap ka kc ung buffer piece eh bumalik s buffer zone... un n ung prob ko.. kasi nkkalimutan ko xa eh... nalilito ako pg may gnun..
breaking in to a new cycle pla un!. naalala ko na.. hehe
un n lng tsaka memo method...

mejo ilang kasi ako s story mehod..di ako mgaling gumawa ng kwento eh.. haha



actually, 3 cycle sana ung una ko target matutunan, kaso prang ang hirap..
aun. 2 cycle.. hehe

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Post by TheJoker Wed Nov 05, 2008 12:12 pm

@chimpzi
well actually it is up to you... sa iba maganda ang ganitong memo method pero sa yo mahirap...

kung saan ka kumportable... sa simula lang naman mahirap memo.. masasanay ka sa katagalan...

at eto po lahat... kung may kulang pa dagdagan nyo na lang... pero this is what most BLD'ers used... listed sa dami ng gumagamit

PAO (Person Action Object)...
commonly used by speed BLD'ers... i also used

Syllables...
next commonly used... jerjero, JR etc...

Visual...
basic starting method... halos lahat dito nagsimula... like me...

Numbers...
next sa basic starting method... ginagamit ko din to...

Visual/Numbers...
eto gamit ko ngayon along with PAO...

Journey method...
gamit ng mga nag multi-BLD...

Roman Room...
more advanced of journey method... but the logic is the same... also for multi-BLD...

kung may mali dagdag na lang... kung may kulang ganun din... pero eto ang mga alam ko na malimit ginagamit...

hehehehheheheh... Very Happy:D:D:D
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Post by tungkel_08 Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:35 pm

@joker

kuya pakiexplain naman poh ng mabuti ung PAO

ndi q xe magets kung panu yun

gamit q naun eh ung visual/numbers

yun poh then may kahalong sariling method ng pagkakabisa
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Post by TheJoker Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:17 pm

yun PAO system... ganito po yun...

sa akin ganito... white top at red front ako...

edge...
FL = Red Green
DB = Yellow Orange
RU = Blue White

so kung yan ang cycle ko... eto ang memo ko...

si REGGIE ay nag-YOYO sa BAY WALK...

REGGIE = Red Green = RG = FL
YOYO = Yellow Orange = YO = DB
BAY WALK = Blue White = BW = RU

so sana makuha mo ang PAO system... ikaw talaga gagawa nyan... hehehehehhehe... Very Happy:D:D:D:D
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Post by shiner Wed Nov 05, 2008 7:55 pm

joker, salamat sayo^^.v eheh.
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Post by tungkel_08 Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:51 pm

ah lam q na ung tinatawag nung iba na story method hehehehehe
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Post by chimpzi Sat Nov 08, 2008 8:19 pm

@TheJoker

tnx po,,
prang mganda ung PAO pro bka mhirapan kasi ako kasi ung gngawa ko is by pair pra mlman ko kng may parity... hmmm hanap pa paraan hehe..
so dito pla gumagawa kal ng story at words base s letters ng kulay... hmmm

ng-iisip kasi ako ng method ko..[well ginaya ko lng din dito..=]]
un tipong my word or letter n per color per sticker ng cubie pra alam ko agad kun san un..
pro pumapalya pa rin ako...
lalu na pg mraming breaking into new cycle... haha
den un...hirap mgmemo..
cguru kakain n din ako maraming peanut butter tulad ni b0noan[nabasa ko s isang post dito]...hehe or inom ng kape araw2...it boosts short term memory sabi dun s ad s tv.. haha

tnx po...

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Post by tungkel_08 Sun Nov 09, 2008 10:48 am

@ chimpzi

hehehehe tip saken ni bonoan yun eh peanut butter daw hehehehe.

kumakaen nga aq nun eh dati pa kso parang la epekto hahahahaha. (peace enzo)

try mo yung memo method na inexplain ko sa umpisa hehehehe.
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Post by shiner Sun Nov 09, 2008 7:32 pm

ui, kuya Joker!!~ ^^.v
Thank y0u so much for explaining it clearly, i mean.. ung
PAO system.. nung last week ko lang naintindihan..
then I tried it. effective super! for me.. kasi ang mga kasama
ko, nahihirapan sila-super din. super hirap daw.
eheh. pero, actually, Story Method gamit ko ngaun..
^_^ 90%-100% na solves ko magBLD. ^^.v
pero di pa ganun kabilis. Very Happy
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Post by TheJoker Sun Nov 09, 2008 8:31 pm

no problem... that is why we all are here... thanks naman at nakatulong me... ang mahirap kasi type ka ng type pero di ka naman pala nakakatulong... hehehhehehehe... Very Happy:D:D:D:D:D
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Post by tungkel_08 Sun Nov 09, 2008 10:26 pm

kuya joker hehehe lam q aq yun.cenxa na soweeeee

ahmm tanung na lang aq sayo. xe gamet q eh yung syllable method ang problema ko eh ung sa gagawa k na ng bagong cycle sa edges poh.nalilito lang aq.
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Post by TheJoker Mon Nov 10, 2008 1:31 am

@tungkel...
ngeeh... ang tinutukoy ko eh sarili ko din... kako type me ng type tapos wala din palang makakaintindi ng sinabi ko...

syensya na sir tungkel... binasa ko ulit yun post ko... double meaning pala...

what i do really mean is help tayo ng help tapos wala palang maka gets... so annoying paminsan minsan sa atin...

sorry again... hehehehehhehe... Very Happy:D:D:D:D

about sa tanong mo... hirap din ako sa syllables... i tried it pero sa tingin ko mahirap sya sa method mo... di ba 2 cycles ka lang din... bihira kilala ko na syllables gamit sa 2 cycles... ewan ko lang din... pero sa mga 2 cycles na nabasa ko at nameet ko... kalimitan VISUAL / PICTURE hybrid with number or yun nga not entirely syllables...

sa mga 3 cycles bld'er... syllables lagi nila gamit... like JR, JERJERO, JONANATHAN PAPA...

pero malay mo pagdating sa yo... tugma pala method mo...

hope i helps... hehehehhehehhe... Very Happy:D:D:D:D
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Post by jerjero Mon Nov 10, 2008 5:46 pm

go for 3 cycle straight.. trust me.. though nanggaling ako sa 2 cycle.. its not hard to understand.. just discover your own technique for that method to be more convenient..
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Post by tungkel_08 Mon Nov 10, 2008 10:11 pm

@joker hahahha

uki lang yun kuya hehehe pareho pla tayo hehe

try q poh yung method n yun.so mas ok poh cya sa 2 cycle db poh.

@jerjero

xur poh??? mas madali ba magmemo pag 3 cycle gamet mo???

xe sa 2 cycle q.2 times p lang aq nakabuo and ang mali ko ndi ko tinym

sa ngayon talaga ang mga mali ko na lang eh mga 3-5 edges

nakakalimutan ko lang poh talaga pag new cycle na xe nga syllable method gamet q.
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Post by chimpzi Sat Nov 15, 2008 8:43 pm

haha
@tungkel
pareho tau prob eh.. s new cycles tlga...
kasi prng pampagulo sya s memo.. haha

lalu n pg mdami na.. sirang sira n ulo ko.. haha

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