how do you guys memorize your OLLs?
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how do you guys memorize your OLLs?
hi..uhmm..kakacmula ko lang magmemo(magdagdag) ng OLLs..now i have 11 OLLs..hooray!! tinanggap ko na na nd ako makakasub20 average with only 7 OLLs..T.T anyway..how do you memorize your algs? do you follow a sequence? for example..square shapes first..then L shapes..then bar shapes..then lightning bolts..then blablabla..or do you memorize randomly? like what i did with my PLLs..random lang..i started with a and u perms..then naobserbahan ko na madalas lumabas ang J perms..so i memoed those next..then nabadtrip ako sa R perms kasi labas din sila ng labas..so i memoed R perms..etc etc..
i would make this a poll..but i don't know how..haha
i would make this a poll..but i don't know how..haha
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Re: how do you guys memorize your OLLs?
ah
ako 2 look oll kasi eh at complete pll
mabagal lang ako sa recognition
pero 16 lahat ng alam kong olls
saulado ko yung mga may cross
may bar, may maliit na L pero yung sa dot di masyado
yun lang
about sa tpoic
by type ang memo ko eh
at kung ano lagi yung common na makukuha ko
tulad ng R-perm dati di ko alam ngayon alam ko na
like ng nasa taas
kung ano ang common sa kanila yung ang sinasaulo ko
ako 2 look oll kasi eh at complete pll
mabagal lang ako sa recognition
pero 16 lahat ng alam kong olls
saulado ko yung mga may cross
may bar, may maliit na L pero yung sa dot di masyado
yun lang
about sa tpoic
by type ang memo ko eh
at kung ano lagi yung common na makukuha ko
tulad ng R-perm dati di ko alam ngayon alam ko na
like ng nasa taas
kung ano ang common sa kanila yung ang sinasaulo ko
Re: how do you guys memorize your OLLs?
ay ako rin, kakadagdag ko lang 3days ago. at ito mga dinagdag ko sa 7 basic OLLs: no correct edges, all corners correct, T shapes, P shapes at fish shapes. ayoko muna magdagdag papa sink in ko muna at optimize bago magdagdag uli
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Re: how do you guys memorize your OLLs?
ako, random ang pag memorize ko ng OLLs ko, pero kung i-mememorize ko kunwari, ung square shape, dahil 2 cases un, pagkakabisa ko nung isa ay ung isa na ring case nun ung isusunod ko para hindi rin confusing... did u get it????
and my technique in memorizing algs is i use mnemonics which goes this way, habang ineexecute ko bawat move i remember ung nangyayari sa cube as i do individual move, kunwari pagka third move ko n, may kulay blue n block n s harap ko, just like that... if you get what i said, just do it and i think makaktulong s memorization mo un...
and my technique in memorizing algs is i use mnemonics which goes this way, habang ineexecute ko bawat move i remember ung nangyayari sa cube as i do individual move, kunwari pagka third move ko n, may kulay blue n block n s harap ko, just like that... if you get what i said, just do it and i think makaktulong s memorization mo un...
Re: how do you guys memorize your OLLs?
patrickjason91 wrote:ako, random ang pag memorize ko ng OLLs ko, pero kung i-mememorize ko kunwari, ung square shape, dahil 2 cases un, pagkakabisa ko nung isa ay ung isa na ring case nun ung isusunod ko para hindi rin confusing... did u get it????
yep that's what i do..naghanap ako ng algs na pwede i-mirror..then i memoed those para instant 2 algs agad diba? kahit isa lang minemo mo..you got 2 OLLs out of it..
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Re: how do you guys memorize your OLLs?
at least thrice a day.,
=)
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Re: how do you guys memorize your OLLs?
parang my topic n po atang ganito?on how to memo ur oll/pll algs..for me it depends kung gano k kawiling imemo ang isang algo..kac dati nung ngmememo ako..ayaw pumasok sa utak ko..and then my isang post n in a month lang naka57oll at 21pll n sya..at that time 2look oll + 21pll lang gamit ko..aun, nainggit cguro ako..sabi ko kung kaya nya kaya ko din..find a site muna na madadalian k sa algo..for me kac cubingtechniques..lahat ng oll ko galing jan..
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Re: how do you guys memorize your OLLs?
ni09ne wrote:parang my topic n po atang ganito?on how to memo ur oll/pll algs..for me it depends kung gano k kawiling imemo ang isang algo..kac dati nung ngmememo ako..ayaw pumasok sa utak ko..and then my isang post n in a month lang naka57oll at 21pll n sya..at that time 2look oll + 21pll lang gamit ko..aun, nainggit cguro ako..sabi ko kung kaya nya kaya ko din..find a site muna na madadalian k sa algo..for me kac cubingtechniques..lahat ng oll ko galing jan..
i don't think so..nung nagsearch ako..lumabas..how LONG did it take you to memorize OLLs..and how DO you memorize your algorithms..the second one is about muscle memory something..not the sequence of memorization..
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Re: how do you guys memorize your OLLs?
uuhhmmm
what i do is...like yung sinasabi nila na box-shaped OLL state
2-cases yun di ba... memo mo isang case, then i-mirror mo na lang...then subukan mo hanapin yung inverse state nun... like sa 2 cases ng box-state... may inverse OLL sya na 2-cases ng lightning bolt...ganun...bale you get 3 more OLLs in one memo of algo...
and off topic...
about dun sa previously posted topic issue...
believe me or not...the search engine here s*cks big time...really
what i do is...like yung sinasabi nila na box-shaped OLL state
2-cases yun di ba... memo mo isang case, then i-mirror mo na lang...then subukan mo hanapin yung inverse state nun... like sa 2 cases ng box-state... may inverse OLL sya na 2-cases ng lightning bolt...ganun...bale you get 3 more OLLs in one memo of algo...
and off topic...
about dun sa previously posted topic issue...
believe me or not...the search engine here s*cks big time...really
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Re: how do you guys memorize your OLLs?
wow ambilis mo magmemo ng OLL... but when i memo OLLs i use at least 10 websites to choose algs from, para sakin lang...ni09ne wrote:parang my topic n po atang ganito?on how to memo ur oll/pll algs..for me it depends kung gano k kawiling imemo ang isang algo..kac dati nung ngmememo ako..ayaw pumasok sa utak ko..and then my isang post n in a month lang naka57oll at 21pll n sya..at that time 2look oll + 21pll lang gamit ko..aun, nainggit cguro ako..sabi ko kung kaya nya kaya ko din..find a site muna na madadalian k sa algo..for me kac cubingtechniques..lahat ng oll ko galing jan..
mahilig rin ako mag mirror. mga advantages na nakikita ko aside from 1alg=2 ay, you get to choose the better alg for the 2 cases and balances dexterity in both handsjolo_mat2008 wrote:patrickjason91 wrote:ako, random ang pag memorize ko ng OLLs ko, pero kung i-mememorize ko kunwari, ung square shape, dahil 2 cases un, pagkakabisa ko nung isa ay ung isa na ring case nun ung isusunod ko para hindi rin confusing... did u get it????
yep that's what i do..naghanap ako ng algs na pwede i-mirror..then i memoed those para instant 2 algs agad diba? kahit isa lang minemo mo..you got 2 OLLs out of it..
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Re: how do you guys memorize your OLLs?
panu ba?
ung mga madadali muna..
then huli na ung mahihirap
ahaha
eun..
hngang sa matapos..
diba?
tagal nga ln..
kc kkktamad minsan eh
lol...
...♥
Re: how do you guys memorize your OLLs?
about dun sa inverse nung alg, d ba minsan d maganda finger tricks nung inverse alg, ano ginagawa mo, ini optimize mo like changing the angle etc?AnotherCuber wrote:uuhhmmm
what i do is...like yung sinasabi nila na box-shaped OLL state
2-cases yun di ba... memo mo isang case, then i-mirror mo na lang...then subukan mo hanapin yung inverse state nun... like sa 2 cases ng box-state... may inverse OLL sya na 2-cases ng lightning bolt...ganun...bale you get 3 more OLLs in one memo of algo...
and off topic...
about dun sa previously posted topic issue...
believe me or not...the search engine here s*cks big time...really
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Re: how do you guys memorize your OLLs?
actually, hindi ko ina-apply sa lahat yung inverse algorithms...
cguro about 8-12 cases nai-aapply yun...
isa na nga dun sa example ko is yung sa lightning bolt case, na yung inverse nya is kayang i-solve yung isa sa 2 cases ng box case, and vice versa...
sample...
from a solved top color state, do this algo ->Rw U R' U R U2 Rw'
you'll get a box case... then just apply it's inverse algo -> Rw U2 R' U' R U' Rw'
then again, from a solved state apply this one -> Rw U2 R' U' R U' Rw' (note: same algo as the previous one), then just apply -> Rw U R' U R U2 Rw'
then kapag nakabisado nyo na yung alg... start your practice from the solved state then just do (Rw U R' U R U2 Rw') then (Rw U2 R' U' R U' Rw') repeatedlt... parang pinapaulit ulit mo na lang yung 2 algorithms, in that way, mas madali mo maililipat yung actual memorization from algo papuntang muscle memory...
cguro about 8-12 cases nai-aapply yun...
isa na nga dun sa example ko is yung sa lightning bolt case, na yung inverse nya is kayang i-solve yung isa sa 2 cases ng box case, and vice versa...
sample...
from a solved top color state, do this algo ->Rw U R' U R U2 Rw'
you'll get a box case... then just apply it's inverse algo -> Rw U2 R' U' R U' Rw'
then again, from a solved state apply this one -> Rw U2 R' U' R U' Rw' (note: same algo as the previous one), then just apply -> Rw U R' U R U2 Rw'
then kapag nakabisado nyo na yung alg... start your practice from the solved state then just do (Rw U R' U R U2 Rw') then (Rw U2 R' U' R U' Rw') repeatedlt... parang pinapaulit ulit mo na lang yung 2 algorithms, in that way, mas madali mo maililipat yung actual memorization from algo papuntang muscle memory...
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Re: how do you guys memorize your OLLs?
ah, kala ko inaapply mo sa lahat ng cases, minsan kasi inefficient ang inverse alg.
btw, have you ever experienced trying out 2 different algs for the same OLL case but have different inverses? i find it really weird. take this as an example: these are 2 algs for OLL 15 (refer to this site: http://www.cubewhiz.com/oll.html) that has different inverses:F (R U R' U) y' (R' U2) (R' F R F') and Rw (U R' U) (R U') U' Rw2 U' (R U') (R' U) U Rw. im puzzled...
btw, have you ever experienced trying out 2 different algs for the same OLL case but have different inverses? i find it really weird. take this as an example: these are 2 algs for OLL 15 (refer to this site: http://www.cubewhiz.com/oll.html) that has different inverses:F (R U R' U) y' (R' U2) (R' F R F') and Rw (U R' U) (R U') U' Rw2 U' (R U') (R' U) U Rw. im puzzled...
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Re: how do you guys memorize your OLLs?
sabi mo nga... 2 completely different OLL algorithms for just one OLL state...it would only yield 2 different inverses
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Re: how do you guys memorize your OLLs?
@omar..sabi ko nga d b kung wiling k madali lang magmemo..sama mo n din ung wala kang gnagawa..aun..
@jolo..sorry..pero parang pareho lang kac?..
@anothercuber..pero minsan nakakalito magmirror..pero kung titingnan nyo sa cubingtechniques..halos pare2has lang ang mga algs...kaya madali lang xa..para sakin..
@jolo..sorry..pero parang pareho lang kac?..
@anothercuber..pero minsan nakakalito magmirror..pero kung titingnan nyo sa cubingtechniques..halos pare2has lang ang mga algs...kaya madali lang xa..para sakin..
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Re: how do you guys memorize your OLLs?
yes, different inverses when applied to the fixed state pero when applied to OLL 15 it has the same effect in terms of LL orientation. i still dont get itAnotherCuber wrote:sabi mo nga... 2 completely different OLL algorithms for just one OLL state...it would only yield 2 different inverses
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Re: how do you guys memorize your OLLs?
hmm.. sakin, memo ko muna ung dot cases kc matatagal pa kc para maging cros in the normal method.. den kinuha ko ung cases na less lang ang similar figures nya... den memo ko ung mga may madaling algs... den the rest..
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Re: how do you guys memorize your OLLs?
ako lang dot case...
nag memz ako ng bagong mga oll na palaging lumalabas sa solves ko..ung frequent like z shapes w shapes boxes etc..^^...
pro di muna ako mag dodotcase..^^...
nag memz ako ng bagong mga oll na palaging lumalabas sa solves ko..ung frequent like z shapes w shapes boxes etc..^^...
pro di muna ako mag dodotcase..^^...
Re: how do you guys memorize your OLLs?
memorize the EASY ONES (eg. Cross-types.. etc )
Learn New Ones ( SQUARE,C-Shape,W-Shape etc)
Until You finish them all!!
Learn New Ones ( SQUARE,C-Shape,W-Shape etc)
Until You finish them all!!
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Re: how do you guys memorize your OLLs?
ako little by little and movemebts yung minememo ko
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Re: how do you guys memorize your OLLs?
basta ako di ako magmememo ng dot case kasi kayan namang iwasan ung dot case..
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@jolo_mat
hmm.. recognizing dot cases and executing anti dot case requires time for recognition.. hmm.. its necessary to memorize those cases (Dot).
hmm.. recognizing dot cases and executing anti dot case requires time for recognition.. hmm.. its necessary to memorize those cases (Dot).
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I memo the OLLs that come up often. Then I memo the short and simple OLLs... last na yung mga complicated algs
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Average: 21.76
Fastest Time: 16.03
Slowest Time: 31.95
Standard Deviation: 02.30
Individual Times:
1) 18.34 B2 F' U B L' F' R2 B2 R' L' F' D' U R2 U' B' L2 D2 U L' D' U2 L B U
2) (16.03) U' B' D' L2 F2 B' D B' U2 F2 U F' R2 B D F L2 D2 R L2 D' R L2 D' F
3) 22.73 U D B' U2 L' B2 R' L2 D' F' R' U D2 B D L' D R' F2 L2 R' F B' L2 R2
4) 24.12 L F' U2 B' L D' B2 U2 L' F2 U' B L R' F2 D2 B L F2 D U' L' D U L'
5) 21.38 L U L2 R2 F' B' D' R2 B' U2 L F R' B R D U' R F' B2 L D2 L R' F
6) 21.09 F2 R2 F U2 F' D R2 U' R' L2 D U2 B2 D' B D R F' D B' D' R' B L' B2
7) 19.75 F2 U' L U2 B F' U2 F D2 L U' R L' D R' F2 R' B' L B' R F B L2 R
(31.95) U D2 R B2 U' F R2 D R L D2 L F R U B F' L' F' L2 D' R U2 D2 F'
9) 19.62 U D B F L F R2 U' F' R' F' U' R' B L R' U' F2 U D F' D' F B' U
10) 22.58 F2 D2 R2 B D U' L' B' F2 L' D2 L2 F D B2 D' U' R2 U' D B2 R B' F2 L2
11) 26.19 B' U' B2 D U' B2 F2 U2 B' F' D' B2 R2 F' B L U F' L' F B L' F L B'
12) 21.83 F' D' L2 B2 U R2 L U2 F' U2 B' F U D2 R2 L' B D2 U B2 U' F' L F' D
2nd solve was a PLL skip
8th solve..i messed up the F2l..T.T
woo!! omg!! anlaking 2long ng additional 8 OLLs ko!!! holy crap sana dati pa ko nagdagdag ng OLLs..haha.. never got this much sub20 solves in one session until now.. guys let's memo olls na!! haha..ginaganahan ako..
Fastest Time: 16.03
Slowest Time: 31.95
Standard Deviation: 02.30
Individual Times:
1) 18.34 B2 F' U B L' F' R2 B2 R' L' F' D' U R2 U' B' L2 D2 U L' D' U2 L B U
2) (16.03) U' B' D' L2 F2 B' D B' U2 F2 U F' R2 B D F L2 D2 R L2 D' R L2 D' F
3) 22.73 U D B' U2 L' B2 R' L2 D' F' R' U D2 B D L' D R' F2 L2 R' F B' L2 R2
4) 24.12 L F' U2 B' L D' B2 U2 L' F2 U' B L R' F2 D2 B L F2 D U' L' D U L'
5) 21.38 L U L2 R2 F' B' D' R2 B' U2 L F R' B R D U' R F' B2 L D2 L R' F
6) 21.09 F2 R2 F U2 F' D R2 U' R' L2 D U2 B2 D' B D R F' D B' D' R' B L' B2
7) 19.75 F2 U' L U2 B F' U2 F D2 L U' R L' D R' F2 R' B' L B' R F B L2 R
(31.95) U D2 R B2 U' F R2 D R L D2 L F R U B F' L' F' L2 D' R U2 D2 F'
9) 19.62 U D B F L F R2 U' F' R' F' U' R' B L R' U' F2 U D F' D' F B' U
10) 22.58 F2 D2 R2 B D U' L' B' F2 L' D2 L2 F D B2 D' U' R2 U' D B2 R B' F2 L2
11) 26.19 B' U' B2 D U' B2 F2 U2 B' F' D' B2 R2 F' B L U F' L' F B L' F L B'
12) 21.83 F' D' L2 B2 U R2 L U2 F' U2 B' F U D2 R2 L' B D2 U B2 U' F' L F' D
2nd solve was a PLL skip
8th solve..i messed up the F2l..T.T
woo!! omg!! anlaking 2long ng additional 8 OLLs ko!!! holy crap sana dati pa ko nagdagdag ng OLLs..haha.. never got this much sub20 solves in one session until now.. guys let's memo olls na!! haha..ginaganahan ako..
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