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Post by jbcañares on Sun Dec 07, 2008 4:40 pm

First of all, I did not approve with the creation of the account THIS_IS_NOT_PCA, I feel that it was not necessary to catch everyone's attention although I really wanted to find a way to catch everyone's attention before, and I understand the importance of the off-topic section except those off-topics that are useless, and you know what are useless off-topics I am referring to, but I greatly respect Unscarred1925's decision as a fellow PCA board, and I understand him. This has become a big problem for a long time now and I have kept my silence too long, it's time for me to speak up.

This is a wake up call to everybody who wants to HELP the organization, for PCA to rise up. Let me tell you all first what is the problem with PCA now. Nowadays, it has become a big misconception to everybody of what PCA is, it has become but a mere forumsite, good for those who knows what really is PCA, but for those people who are not aware of PCA, those who are new to PCA, those who have heard of it for the first time, it would put the organization at a great disadvantage if this goes on and on. Imagine, a person who wants to organize a competition and wants the coordination of PCA but he/she has not heard of PCA before, where will he/she go to? to this forum? post in the I exist? does he know who the leaders of the PCA are? are they the mods? the admin?, he will see some trash and useless topics in this forums, what will he/she think? the credibility of the association is at stake here, it's not just for people who want to organize a competition, that goes for other concerns for the PCA community. Let me tell you this over and over again, PCA is not a forumsite, yes people who are part of PCA are in it and they are the people of the community, but do you really think you can help PCA by just merely following the rules of this forumsite, be a an active member of this site, post new threads and stuff like that, well partly, but as a whole you are not grasping what we meant by help, we meant help through sweat and lots of effort and determination. Let me give you an example, did you know that the PCA organizing team for RCPO2k7, 2k8, Diliman Open 2k8, Cebu Open 2k8 and Iligan Open 2k8 were not active members of this forumsite?, but they are what PCA aspires as members of the association, and I thank them deeply for THEIR CONTRIBUTION TO PCA not just the contribution for this forumsite, you know who you are.

PCA needs movers, creators, leaders, that is what the founders and pioneers of this organization has done before, we moved, we contributed, we sweated, even when our pockets are all down to drain, yes this forum was a help, a big help actually for us, to contribute IDEAS for the association. What can you do by contributing to this forum, THIS FORUM, NOT PCA, you just sit around, post this and post that, sell this and sell that, it's okay for those who trade stuff, like i'll give you my stackmat, give me 3 DIYs, that's really okay, really, or I want to sell my second hand cubes or some other stuffs, but the fact that some has been trading stuffs like this site has become an online department store without a single contribution for the development of this community. I even heard of a sticker shop selling PCA logos, what? they are selling PCA logos, a logo that my fellow PCA board member Jonathan Papa has contributed through sweat and effort for PCA, what's next? PCA T-shirts? PCA cubes? this really bothers me as a founder, a pioneer and a PCA board. PCA needs respect. Let me tell you what PCA lacks, we lack financial support, we need stackmat timers, tournament displays, stop watches and etc., money for a specific venue for a competition, maintenance for the official PCA website(www.philippinecubersassociation.org) and support for the official website as well, this is where all the official announcements, general information and etc of PCA are posted. Other problems like, financial support for the expansion of PCA, and all other future plans for the association. Most of all, we lack responsible members for the association, not just to this forumsite. PCA NEEDS LEADERS, MOVERS, CREATORS. the same problem over an over again for each new competition. And this is a problem nationwide, the PCA in Luzon, Visayas and Mindanao. This is not for the PCA board guys, THIS IS FOR YOU to everyone of us, to satisfy our common interest, the hobby/sport, speedcubing, all in all we are all speedcubers, so we have to help each other.

I hope you understand now or at least grasped why Jonathan Papa "Unscarred1925" reacted that way. He wants formality of the organization, including the forums, since it's not only us Filipinos who browse this forum or the official PCA forum, that's why the forums on the official PCA site is more strict and formal. You want an official WCA competition now? then organize, do not wait, wait for the PCA board to move for you, I am not talking on moving like, getting sponsors, promotions, contacting the venue and etc. I am also refering to the contribution for the CONCEPTUALIZATION for the event. This is not just for official WCA competition events by PCA, this goes to other events too. I will tell you honestly how many sleepless nights that I have endured and contributed for this association, my sanity, the times where I have to use my own pockets just for the success of a competition, for the official registration of PCA to SEC, even when I become broke. I even sacrifice my own competition results for this, I can tell you honestly that on Cebu Open 2k8, RCPO2k8 and Iligan Open 2k8, I had no sleep for those events, because I am not only there as a mere competitor I want to see and make sure of the success of a PCA event/activity. This is not an excuse for me, I still did my best on each competition and I consider my results as final and official. And it is not only me mind you, there are aspiring PCA members who help me a lot, and have experienced what i have experienced, you don't know them, they are not that active to this forumsite, and again I thank them deeply, you know who you are.

Again PCA needs LEADERS, CREATORS, MOVERS and RESPONSIBLE MEMBERS for the association not just the forums, I am not saying that everything has to be so tight with everything, all the bonding, meet ups, sharing of cubing times, racing with each other, trading stuff not merchandising and etc. these are all still necessary, this is to nurture our organization, PCA. as long as we still have respect for the association, respect for the leaders, the founders. If you can't be a leader, creator or a mover, then be a responsible member of PCA.

We need to unite now, and help each other not just on the forums, on this forum pinoyspeedcubers.com or the official PCA forums, we need to help THE ORGANIZATION, the Philippine Cubers Association (PCA), we are pinoy speedcubers, we have to show the world how good we are, not only on our cubing times. PCA is for us, it is for every aspiring speedcubers in the Philippines, that is the mission and vision of PCA.

Jonathan Papa "Unscarred1925", the chairman of the PCA board is not going to quit PCA, he is going to quit on this forums, he has more bigger responsibilities to handle than administrating or moderating this forum.

As the legalities of PCA are still going on, keep on cubing everyone, and I hope you finally know or grasp what it means to be a PCA member, because you will soon all be officially if you have what it takes.

Ever asked yourself before? I want to be part of PCA? do I know the history of PCA? the mission and vision? the history of speedcubing in the Philippines? why this all started? why speedcubing has suddenly become famous in the Philippines? Why am I a speedcuber now? Then ask yourself now.


Have a nice day,


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Re: J.B. Cañares' insights for PCA's welfare

Post by SkibuRebuc on Mon Dec 08, 2008 9:22 am

bakit ganun?
i donated a brand new timer with mat sa PCA and handed it to Lester Santos (September 15, 2008),
pero wala naman akong nareceive na gratitude from PCA officers.
but it's no big deal sakin.
i'm after sa welfare ng PCA pero wala namang reactions, baka naman guys hindi niyo nakikita ang effort ng iba?
i know nag-exert kayo ng effort to build this up.
pero nag-aaksaya din naman ng panahon ang iba para makapagcontribute at makatulong sa iba to provide enlightening tips like JOKER and everyone else.


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Post by jbcañares on Mon Dec 08, 2008 10:25 am

If you have done that, then you are one those who helped PCA in this way, those who are giving contributions, your help is just like those people who I am referring to who helped this community. Thank you.

Forgot to thank those who have contributed in helping maintain this site, I hope you would inform new and current members now about what other contributions they could do to help PCA. Thank you so much.

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Post by Guest on Mon Dec 08, 2008 10:47 am

yoko na maki alam sa issue na ito kasi alam ko namang wala akong epekto sa inyo...

last na ito, promise... hahahha...

na gets ko sinasabi nila bossing jb at bossing unscarred....

di ba kayo humahawak ng site na ito?
e bakit hindi nyo masolusyunan itong sinasabi nyong problema?
at ang sinasabing paraan na ginawa ni bossing unscarred e yung ginawa nyang nag post ng maraming thread about sa nararamdaman nya sa site na ito. at pagpapanggap sa ibang user..
hala! organized nga ano?! napaka PROFFESIONAL!
sa tingin nyo ba e tama ginawa nya?
e kng ang ginawa nyang thread e about sa problema natin! at hindi kung anong kadramahan ang pinagsusulat nya, e di dapat maayos!

tapos pinagdidiinan nyong PCA is not a forumsite...
alam ko yun!
pero ang gusto nyong gawin, magcontribute kami sa PCA!
e lilinawin ko ha, forumsite ang sinalihan namin! hindi PCA!
hayst.. gusto ko maging PCA member... pero as a member of this forumsite ang ugali kong pinakikita...

mga bossing! peace!

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Post by i.luv.cube on Mon Dec 08, 2008 11:22 am

@hwoarang

yung pagpapanggap niya has a purpose, I believe.. He didn't mean to do that.. Nagpanggap siyang noob so he can see how this forumsite treats a noob.. Ganun siguro..

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Post by jbcañares on Mon Dec 08, 2008 11:32 am

Hwoarang wrote:yoko na maki alam sa issue na ito kasi alam ko namang wala akong epekto sa inyo...

last na ito, promise... hahahha...

na gets ko sinasabi nila bossing jb at bossing unscarred....

di ba kayo humahawak ng site na ito?
e bakit hindi nyo masolusyunan itong sinasabi nyong problema?
at ang sinasabing paraan na ginawa ni bossing unscarred e yung ginawa nyang nag post ng maraming thread about sa nararamdaman nya sa site na ito. at pagpapanggap sa ibang user..
hala! organized nga ano?! napaka PROFFESIONAL!
sa tingin nyo ba e tama ginawa nya?
e kng ang ginawa nyang thread e about sa problema natin! at hindi kung anong kadramahan ang pinagsusulat nya, e di dapat maayos!

tapos pinagdidiinan nyong PCA is not a forumsite...
alam ko yun!
pero ang gusto nyong gawin, magcontribute kami sa PCA!
e lilinawin ko ha, forumsite ang sinalihan namin! hindi PCA!
hayst.. gusto ko maging PCA member... pero as a member of this forumsite ang ugali kong pinakikita...

mga bossing! peace!


na gets mo ang sinasabi ko..hmm..

You still don't understand Hwoarang, I hope you have read my statement over and over again. I am being professional here as I can, that's why I said I did not agree with the THIS_IS_NOT_PCA account. So you only joined the forumsite? not PCA. Can I ask you a question? Do you want to participate in an official WCA competition which every speedcuber in the world desires to join to be ranked in the world? do you want to help in organizing these competitions in the Philippines and let all filipino speedcubers get a chance to join? if you do, then your helping PCA, not this forum, and you are a competitive speedcuber, but if you don't want to help in these competitions then don't, just be a member of this forum then. Because that is one of the things PCA provides, you are expanding your help from the bounds of this forum. But that's what we lack, competition head organizers. What am I doing now? informing everybody that there is a problem with the site and it needs to improve and also PCA, I am looking for a way to solve this problem, and I have to clarify that the one holding this site, is the site admin and a PCA board who is very busy now which we have difficulty in contacting. That's why we need cooperation from you, from everybody for this to work. I am very sure you really want to help.

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Post by neo_cuber on Mon Dec 08, 2008 12:11 pm

jbcañares wrote:
Let me tell you all first what is the problem with PCA now. Nowadays, it has become a big misconception to everybody of what PCA is, it has become but a mere forumsite, good for those who knows what really is PCA, but for those people who are not aware of PCA, those who are new to PCA, those who have heard of it for the first time, it would put the organization at a great disadvantage if this goes on and on. Imagine, a person who wants to organize a competition and wants the coordination of PCA but he/she has not heard of PCA before, where will he/she go to? to this forum? post in the I exist?

I beg to disagree on this one, JB. It just so happens that when you search "philippine speedcubers", "pinoy speedcubing", "PCA" etc... this site is listed at the top three searches!
Look at the heading at our home page, it even has "Philippine Cubers Association" below the site's name. There's even a Mission and Vision statement.

So if you're so worried that PCA might have an image of an org full of trash and useless topics then do something about it.
Provide a link to the REAL PCA site on the Home Page so that an "uninformed person" wouldn't confuse this forum as the Official PCA site.

To be frank, it's confusing to have an Official PCA site http://www.philippinecubersassociation.org AND a PCA forum http://www.pinoyspeedcubers.com/ .

jbcañares wrote:
does he know who the leaders of the PCA are? are they the mods? the admin?,
To be frank, during the first three months of this forum, I didnt even know who the real PCA members were. Why?
There's no OFFICIAL LISTING/DIRECTORY of who the members/mods/admin/officials are! I dare you... Search...

jbcañares wrote:
he will see some trash and useless topics in this forums, what will he/she think?
uhmmm... if you've been to other forums, you would be surprised to find that this forum is much CLEANER than you think... *cough* no porn,etc... *cough*

jbcañares wrote:
but do you really think you can help PCA by just merely following the rules of this forumsite, be a an active member of this site, post new threads and stuff like that, well partly, but as a whole you are not grasping what we meant by help, we meant help through sweat and lots of effort and determination.
has it ever occurred to you that most people go to forums JUST to gather information/learn? not really to help out? (more about this below)

jbcañares wrote:
you just sit around, post this and post that, sell this and sell that, it's okay for those who trade stuff, like i'll give you my stackmat, give me 3 DIYs, that's really okay, really, or I want to sell my second hand cubes or some other stuffs, but the fact that some has been trading stuffs like this site has become an online department store without a single contribution for the development of this community.
If you've noticed, many people become speedcubers through this "online department store thing" you were saying.
How exactly? by getting the stuff they need for speedcubing!
Some even donated stuff to PCA...
jbcañares wrote:
I even heard of a sticker shop selling PCA logos, what? they are selling PCA logos, a logo that my fellow PCA board member Jonathan Papa has contributed through sweat and effort for PCA, what's next? PCA T-shirts? PCA cubes? this really bothers me as a founder, a pioneer and a PCA board. PCA needs respect. Let me tell you what PCA lacks, we lack financial support, we need stackmat timers, tournament displays, stop watches and etc., money for a specific venue for a competition, maintenance for the official PCA website(www.philippinecubersassociation.org) and support for the official website as well, this is where all the official announcements, general information and etc of PCA are posted.
Then shut down the PCA logo thread! You have the right to. Then beat them at their own game! Sell PCA shirts, cubes etc!
It would be a great way to earn for the organization while promoting what you have toiled long and hard for.

jbcañares wrote:
Other problems like, financial support for the expansion of PCA, and all other future plans for the association. Most of all, we lack responsible members for the association, not just to this forumsite. PCA NEEDS LEADERS, MOVERS, CREATORS. the same problem over an over again for each new competition. And this is a problem nationwide, the PCA in Luzon, Visayas and Mindanao.
uhm.... there's PCA in Luzon, Visayas and Mindanao? I thought there were only 5 of you guys... And you lack responsible members? I wonder why...
jbcañares wrote:
You want an official WCA competition now? then organize, do not wait, wait for the PCA board to move for you, I am not talking on moving like, getting sponsors, promotions, contacting the venue and etc. I am also refering to the contribution for the CONCEPTUALIZATION for the event. This is not just for official WCA competition events by PCA, this goes to other events too.
Parang ang labo naman nito JB. It's hard for us "non-PCA" just out-of-the-blue organize a sanctioned competition.

1. There are only 2 official WCA delegates in the country.
2. There are only 5 official PCA members in the whole world.
3. Anong "CONCEPTUALIZATION"? ito?
con·cep·tu·al·ize (kn-spch--lz)
v. con·cep·tu·al·ized, con·cep·tu·al·iz·ing, con·cep·tu·al·iz·es
v.tr.
To form a concept or concepts of, and especially to interpret in a conceptual way.
(more at the bottom of this post.)

jbcañares wrote:
I will tell you honestly how many sleepless nights that I have endured and contributed for this association, my sanity, the times where I have to use my own pockets just for the success of a competition, for the official registration of PCA to SEC, even when I become broke. I even sacrifice my own competition results for this, I can tell you honestly that on Cebu Open 2k8, RCPO2k8 and Iligan Open 2k8, I had no sleep for those events, blah, blah, blah, blah.....
Now you are whining? Jeez.
jbcañares wrote:
If you can't be a leader, creator or a mover, then be a responsible member of PCA.
How is that possible? Eh there's only 5 of you? or are you talking to the other Four?
jbcañares wrote:
As the legalities of PCA are still going on, keep on cubing everyone, and I hope you finally know or grasp what it means to be a PCA member, because you will soon all be officially if you have what it takes.
Now, we WILL be one if we have what it takes? hmm....
jbcañares wrote:
Ever asked yourself before? I want to be part of PCA? do I know the history of PCA? the mission and vision? the history of speedcubing in the Philippines? why this all started? why speedcubing has suddenly become famous in the Philippines? Why am I a speedcuber now? Then ask yourself now.

Yes I do! And here are some USEFUL CONCEPTS (ayan! conceptualization) that PCA can use.
FORUM ISSUE:
Separate the fact that this forum is not PCA.
Remove the mission/vision, provide the link to the PCA ORG site, put up the site (its down at the moment), and start cleaning up the clutter from the site.
Delete stupid threads at once.
Add more categories: Put a Hardware Section (modding, crafting, etc queries will go here),
Questions thread (lahat ng tanong, dun itanong kahit paulit-ulit para di na sila gagawa ng thread about it para matigilan na yung "Ano po yung F2L?" etc...)
More stickied topics (sticky pertinent info to lessen repetitive questions and this should be active for clarifications)

MEMBERS ISSUE:
to solve the next few "problems" (Finance, competition organization etc.), this should be solved first.
Since there are only 5 official members, and only 2 WCA delegates why not add more? Question
We do not need to be officers or something, but members nonetheless...

Ayaw niyo ng official? e di "non-official members"! (why not?)

This way, you can delegate people to deal with the dirty work and be responsible for it.
there will be people who can organize/take care of competitions in different regions in the country.
There will be people who can manage stuff outside cubing (getting sponsors, venues, money matters, PR, promotions)
who can easily report to you... (I'll add more later)
FINANCE ISSUE:
You said you need financing to support this org. Of course! How will you do it? Get sponsors! How will you get sponsors if you can't?
Get people to "get sponsors"... How will you get people to get sponsors?
Make them part of the organization.

To get things done, get people involved. To forum members who are not "close" to the PCA staff, we have this feeling na kayo lang talaga yung may sole responsibility for everything that has to do with speedcubing in the Philippines, meaning competitions, events, etc... Parang sawsaw/nagmamagaling/mayabang?/mayaman?/magaling? naman kami masyado nun pag nagpasimuno kami ng said events di ba? We don't have the OFFICIAL AUTHORITY to do so....

About contributing to the community, I want to make things clear, this is technically just a forum site right? So why do you expect people to contribute finances and stuff?
This site should be a gateway to you guys,to promote speedcubing, talk about it and does what a forum should do, and nothing else. if you wanted support, ask for it.
Start a fund -raising project or whatever tickles your fancy.


To sum things up:
1. Get more people "OFFICIALLY involved".
2. If you want less trashy threads, add more moderators. (parang number one din.)
3. Don't take it TOO seriously. (People are bashing your dreams of a heaven like forum? defend it! fight for it! Do something about it! Quitting is like suicide, and both are for losers)
4. Fix the official PCA site,,,, (is it just coincidence that the site is down?)
5. Want more funds? get sponsors, sell stuff....


Spoiler:
Do I know what I'm talking about? Yes, I do.
I've organized 3 school plays (writer, director), Student Government officer (elementary till college),
led two Outreach programs, One feeding Program, Two FREE Medical/ Dental Service programs etc.....
So yes, I know what I'm talking about.
Merry Christmas santa

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Post by jbcañares on Mon Dec 08, 2008 12:26 pm

neo_cuber your insights are very helpful and that's what were looking for to each member, thank you, and you should post your comments and suggestions to the official site when it is up.

i challenge you to organize a successful official WCA competition. of course we will help you. but you have to be the head organizer.

it's really easy said than being done i tell you. if you can, it would be a great contribution to PCA and will be very thankful to you.

yes we are only 5, but those persons that i thanked are those who helped and contributed for the success of each competitions. Luzon, Visayas and Mindanao.

we can't add more delegates because it is up to the WCA organization to decide for that matter. and we have been proposing for a third delegate for a few months now, and still has not yet been approve.

can't you understand we are looking for aspiring PCA members that is the PCA members that I am referring to those who have helped us in the success of each competition.

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Post by Guest on Mon Dec 08, 2008 1:36 pm

jbcañares wrote:
Hwoarang wrote:yoko na maki alam sa issue na ito kasi alam ko namang wala akong epekto sa inyo...

last na ito, promise... hahahha...

na gets ko sinasabi nila bossing jb at bossing unscarred....

di ba kayo humahawak ng site na ito?
e bakit hindi nyo masolusyunan itong sinasabi nyong problema?
at ang sinasabing paraan na ginawa ni bossing unscarred e yung ginawa nyang nag post ng maraming thread about sa nararamdaman nya sa site na ito. at pagpapanggap sa ibang user..
hala! organized nga ano?! napaka PROFFESIONAL!
sa tingin nyo ba e tama ginawa nya?
e kng ang ginawa nyang thread e about sa problema natin! at hindi kung anong kadramahan ang pinagsusulat nya, e di dapat maayos!

tapos pinagdidiinan nyong PCA is not a forumsite...
alam ko yun!
pero ang gusto nyong gawin, magcontribute kami sa PCA!
e lilinawin ko ha, forumsite ang sinalihan namin! hindi PCA!
hayst.. gusto ko maging PCA member... pero as a member of this forumsite ang ugali kong pinakikita...

mga bossing! peace!


na gets mo ang sinasabi ko..hmm..

You still don't understand Hwoarang, I hope you have read my statement over and over again. I am being professional here as I can, that's why I said I did not agree with the THIS_IS_NOT_PCA account. So you only joined the forumsite? not PCA. Can I ask you a question? Do you want to participate in an official WCA competition which every speedcuber in the world desires to join to be ranked in the world? do you want to help in organizing these competitions in the Philippines and let all filipino speedcubers get a chance to join? if you do, then your helping PCA, not this forum, and you are a competitive speedcuber, but if you don't want to help in these competitions then don't, just be a member of this forum then. Because that is one of the things PCA provides, you are expanding your help from the bounds of this forum. But that's what we lack, competition head organizers. What am I doing now? informing everybody that there is a problem with the site and it needs to improve and also PCA, I am looking for a way to solve this problem, and I have to clarify that the one holding this site, is the site admin and a PCA board who is very busy now which we have difficulty in contacting. That's why we need cooperation from you, from everybody for this to work. I am very sure you really want to help.

uhmm.. binasa ko naman po ang statement mo... kahit english! haha
ang sinasabi ko namang "napakaPROFESSIONAL" e... hindi ikaw.,,,
salamat nga sayo at pilit mong inaayos ang forum na ito...
ikaw nga lang mod ang nakikialam eh...

uhmm? i wanna help the PCA
gusto ko nga maging member eh...

so wat?
ang pinag uusapan dito ay ang forum...
kasi wala akong ginawa kung bakit may problema ang PCA..
ni hindi ko nga alam nangyayari sa PCA e...
hindi naman ako manghuhula..

diba ang original problem e yung pinipilit ni unscarred?
This is a wake up call to every member of this forum, can you please ask yourselves how did you helped PCA? You are claiming your reputation here in this forum as a cuber but you have not even sweat for this community. You believe you are suppose to be respected because you have a thousand post here, really great. You don't want rules because your too busy minding your own self. You don't like rules because you don't want RESPONSIBILITY. You don't want rules and now look at yourself you are mislead
sinasabi nyang mayayabang at iresponsable kaming mga member!
so ang topic dito, ang kinaasaran kong sinasabi nyang mayabang kami!
hindi na dapat nasali ang problema ng PCA dito....
(alam ko, produkto ng PCA itong forum na ito)
ang point ni jonathan kasi, e gumising tayo at magtulungan.. bawasan ang off topic...
kaso mali ang tingin nya sa amin... mali ang pinamumukha nya sa amin...
ok naman para sa akin ang forum na ito..
kung hindi man, hindi pa huli ang lahat...
hindi na dapat ginawa yun ni jonathan

@jonathan
reply ka naman bossing...

@all
ayoko naman talaga maki alam eh...
naasar lang ako sa ginawa ni jonathan...

at kung problema about sa PCA uli paguusapan... handa ako tumulong...

kung may problema ang PCA, humingi kayo ng tulong ng ayos (tulad ng ginagawa ni jb)
hindi basta babanatan kami ng napakadramahang thread! binigla mo kami.. tsk tsk

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Post by dinki1968 on Mon Dec 08, 2008 1:56 pm

Tenen ten ten ten ten! Pasingit si Dinki!

^_^

Madali lang namang solusyunan ang mga problemang pinagtatalunan nyo, No seriously......

It's just LOVE and RESPECT, and everything will just smoothly follow.

.....Malayo ba? No no no. Just think about it. ^_^

Cheers!! Happy Holidays!! ^_^

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Post by albertz on Mon Dec 08, 2008 1:59 pm

neo_cuber wrote:
Since there are only 5 official members, and only 2 WCA delegates why not add more? Question
We do not need to be officers or something, but members nonetheless...

Add WCA delegates?! Dali nga namang sabihin eh. Try mo kaya mag-apply kung gusto mo.
I don't think it's a good idea to add members ng ganun2 nalang. You have to prove na dapat ka maging member muna.


neo_cuber wrote:Parang ang labo naman nito JB. It's hard for us "non-PCA" just out-of-the-blue organize a sanctioned competition.

You can organize a competition without being a official member of PCA. It has been proven in Iligan Open and will be again sa mga susunod na mga competitions here in Mindanao kung saan walang official PCA member. Yung malabo yung mga nangungulit na magkaroon ng competitions pero wala namang ginagawa.


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Post by hail-Lee on Mon Dec 08, 2008 4:17 pm

very good neo_cuber.. it shows that you really read and understand every sentence on jb's insights..

that's a real good attitude.

at one point, i beg to disagree
neo_cuber wrote:
Since there are only 5 official members, and only 2 WCA delegates why not add more? Question
We do not need to be officers or something, but members nonetheless...

on your statement here, you really do not know what you were talking about..

you have no idea how hard it is to be an official delegate...

if it is that easy, ALL of the PCA boards would be delegates then...

they are still trying to work out that one of them (from luzon) would be the third delegate..
it's been months yet it hasn't been approved yet...

yes, aside from the boards, PCA needs officers..
if you have an experience on making an org an official org to SEC, you would know..

but again, great job. you might be the one who PCA needs.. a critical thinker.

and for others who really don't care, you have all your rights to remain silent..

@dinki,,,

i agree on that.. if only we would learn to respect each other, this won't happen.

well anyways, soon there will be solutions.. Smile

soon we will just look back and say "dati ang gulo, pero ngayon astig na..marami pala pinagdaanan PCA."
(and be proud that you are part of it)

so cheer up. happy holidays. Smile

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Post by vice143 on Mon Dec 08, 2008 4:29 pm

uu nga..........
kaya natin to.........
just cooperate and united.........
wlang iwanan.............
sana matapos nato.................
lapit napo christmas........
sama namang tingnan kung ganito pa tayo............
good bless
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Post by aldric7 on Mon Dec 08, 2008 9:22 pm

hmm ? gusto ko ring maging PCA member ehh .. agree ako ky ate halley .. hinay2 lang toh .. at matatapos din ang problema .. speed cubing will be spread all over the philippines .. that even a batang kalye speddsolves .. Very Happy peace sa lahat !!

happy cubing ! Very Happy

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Post by ronalddeadman2 on Mon Dec 08, 2008 10:01 pm

ayon, malapit na tong masolusyonan sigurado na ako dyan..

maganda din kc na nagkaka linawan tau sa mga nasasaloob naten....

to kua jb and the rest of pca....
Gud luck po and more power.....
one question lang bout dun sa mga delagates:
bakit po pla wca po ung nagdedecide and para san po ung delegate???
medu naguguluhan lang me

OT:
natawa lang ako sa sinabi ni aldric ung sa batang kalye, kung hopefully talaga..all steet children can speedsolve then pede tau sa guiness(tama ba spelling kow)Razz

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Post by albertz on Mon Dec 08, 2008 10:39 pm

1c)The WCA delegate for a competition is responsible for:

* 1c1) Reporting to the WCA Board about whether the full WCA regulations were followed during the competition. Reports must be available within one week after the competition.
* 1c2) Reporting to the WCA Board about the overall course of the competition, and about incidents. Reports must be available within one week after the competition.
* 1c3) Sending the competition results to the WCA Board. Results should be available at the end of the last day of the competition.
* 1c4) Sending corrections to the competition results to the WCA Board. Corrections should be available within one week after the competition.
* 1c5) Advising the other officials when needed.
* 1c6) Approving all events and event formats of a competition, before the competition starts and when changes are needed during the competition.
* 1c7) Decisions on disqualification of a competitor for the competition, as described in other articles.

I hope you read the regulations. May oras ka ngang magbasa rito.

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Re: J.B. Cañares' insights for PCA's welfare

Post by MetaboringJohnCañares on Tue Dec 09, 2008 4:09 am

I suggest we should have patience and wait, PCA is doing its best to make itself more organize with officials and real members. As of now however, most of the cubers in the philippines are gathered here. But it is guaranteed that PCA will be assigning officials and looking for members any time soon. We should understand how hard to assign officials and entice cubers to join the org, considering the advantages of being a member. So we should be patient and wait, even though our government offices really sucks doing its job efficiently.

Plus, I do agree with Jonathan that 90% of the visit here in this forum goes directly to the Off Topic section, if you have observed how Jonathan's "parting posts" weren't immediately replaced for almost a week aside from the Off Topic section which was replaced immediately within hours only. I understand the importance of Off Topics, and that people just don't cube all the time and do things aside from cubing or the likes. BUT, this forum is becoming less of a "cubing oriented forum" and more "what do you do in life?", or "what's your favorite this or that?", or "I love burger how about you?" forums. You get my point? Maybe we should just remove everything besides I Exist, Trade Center, and the all popular Off Topic. We should be sharing what we know about cubing, I know some here do that (and I know I'm becoming less, sorry), and use other threads equally to how we use Off Topic. This forum is all about that isn't it? I know, that we can share things like that in Off Topic, through the communities made there and the meets arranged after that, I mean I made the "Official Forum for Cebu Cubers" topic, so I know. But we should put to use other threads as well, because if not, this whole forum is pointless. Why not just text one another, have conferences in YM or other means to communicate one another. But, it's for you (the members) to decide. I'm not forcing any, I am a person who respect individual rights. But you should know that when you joined this forum, you have the responsibility to make this forum work, because if one doesn't do it and others follow, then everything here falls apart. And we don't want that, do we?

I agree with almost everything JB and Jonathan has to say, but sometimes DUTY and OBLIGATION are mixed up from time to time. That's the main reason of this conflict I think. So people should be more responsible and remember their obligation here, since you should have thought of that before joining here you hear? Not thinking only that you need a place to be. So follow the rules and regulations and report to the mods anyone breaking them. Don't act like a mod, its not your job. That's all.


John "who's been lazy lately" Cañares



UPDATED:
And one more thing: Don't use the PCA name as a means of revenue unless giving the organization some share. If the process in SEC is finished and if you continue to do that practice, we can sue you you know, and you don't want that. But since this site is not PCA (considering the contradictions in the home page), then you can profit all you want. Just don't use PCA or the competitions organized by the org as means of personal profit.

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Post by Guest on Tue Dec 09, 2008 8:56 pm

sorry sa mga na ipost ko dati...
medyo OA na yata ako dun..
wala ako galit kay bossing jonathan, nainis lang ako sa "way" nya ng gustong mangyari...
pero may point nga sya, kaso dis agree pa din ako.,, hehe
merry xmas!
thanks bossing jb, john at iba pang mods sa pag aayos ng usapang ito..
siguro ayos na ngaun diba? hehehe Very Happy

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Post by azywerkz on Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:40 pm

@Hwoarang: ndi pa nten masasabe na ayos nnga ang problem. mrami pang dpat pagusapan at mpagkasunduan.

is it ok kung magkaroon ng general assembly/"general" cube meet na ang main agenda is ung bout sa prob na ito? prang whole day event. gathering ng mraming members, sa isang place na eksklusibo sa mga myembro na "interesado" sa pagssolve ng problem. i mean, they can share there opinions through a piece of paper or an open forum. personal dpat kasi kpag post lang dito, mahirap magkaintndhan minsan.

cguro hindi din maiintndhan ng ibang mga myembro ung mga explanations nio dahil karamihan mga bago at mga bata.

suggestion ko lang din, ayon sa pagkakaintindi ko, kelangan nten ng hierarchical structure ng mga representatives/mods/officers/more board members/sub board members,etc...

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Re: J.B. Cañares' insights for PCA's welfare

Post by Guest on Wed Dec 10, 2008 6:31 am

ang opinyon ko lang naman kasi... (para sakin)
pinipilit ng mga mods na "PCA is not a forumsite"
tunay nga naman...
at hindi ito official forum ng PCA

wag kayong umasa super duper umayos itong forumsite na ito sa way na gusto nyong mangyari.. kasi, forumsite lang ito...

ang magagawa lang natin members e sundin ang rules and regulations...
ang magagawa ng mga mods ay kontrolin tayong mga members...

kung may problema ngaun, malamang ganito,
hindi sumusunod ang members sa rules ang reg,
or mali ang rules ang regulation,
or hindi kayang kontrolin ng mods ang members...

para sa akin, walang problema
ok ang forumsite na ito...
gawin lang natin ang dapat gawin natin...

tama si dinki
magpapasko na eh! ngaun pa ba hindi magkakasundo? hehehe

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azywerkz wrote: suggestion ko lang din, ayon sa pagkakaintindi ko, kelangan nten ng hierarchical structure ng mga representatives/mods/officers/more board members/sub board members,etc...
i agree...
siguro nga better kung ganyan...


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Post by venom on Wed Dec 10, 2008 2:29 pm

azywerkz wrote:
suggestion ko lang din, ayon sa pagkakaintindi ko, kelangan nten ng hierarchical structure ng mga representatives/mods/officers/more board members/sub board members,etc...

i agree with azywerkz on this, i feel that one of the main problems this forum has is that it lacks officers/moderators. i think it should designate more officers who could monitor, control and manage the forum. i'm aware that this forum already has existing officers but i think not everyone is as active as the others. i also understand that some are still studying so their time to moderate is limited. if i may suggest, i would recommend adding more officers/moderators. also, if i may ask, in the past, aside from the founders, how did this forum assign it's officers? i asked because i think if we are going to add officers now, we should have qualifications why he/she should become an officer. i'm not saying that we have under-qualified officers right now, what i'm saying is that if this forum is going to add officers, it should be based on qualifications, commitment and dedication. Smile people who have the maturity, time, intellect, patience and understanding, also, all officers should have the same objectives so as to avoid conflicts. personal interests should be set aside when making decisions.

i have a 14 year old daughter so more or less i have an idea how teenagers think and behave these days. and since a lot of the members of this forum are of the same age-bracket as my daughter's so i would assume that they, more or less, think the same. i think if the officers would be more strict and always on the lookout, this forum would be more productive, that is, in terms of usefull ideas etc. Smile

re other problems (like funds), i think they can addressed by having regular meetings with the officers. i think a once-a-month officers meeting would be beneficial for everyone. Smile

i hope i have not offended anyone with this post, i'm a proud member of this forum and i just want to help it grow more. Smile

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Post by pmarcelino5 on Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:39 pm

please give an applause with this two guys here...
eryx and azywerkz....

both of them are correct, so why dont we give them a chance to try their idea's?
and i think that would be the best solution/answer to our problems here....

peace!
Merry christmas!

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