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Post by pajodaep on Mon Oct 22, 2007 12:32 am

Help po sa f2l recognition.

Ang bagal kasi ng recognition ko sa f2l kaya hirap ako maka-sub-20.

my average cross is 2-3secs. my average OLL+PLL is 5-6 secs.

but my f2l average is around 13-15 secs.

Experience at practice lang ba talaga ang kailangan sa para bumilis sa f2l recognition or meron ding mga special techniques na kailangan for recognition?

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Re: Help po sa f2l recognition.

Post by pajodaep on Mon Oct 22, 2007 12:34 am

actually, i've tried executing the f2l algos at different angles pero onti lang ang improvement... hay...

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Re: Help po sa f2l recognition.

Post by greatauror28 on Mon Oct 22, 2007 12:45 am

buti ka nga ang bilis mo na eh...practice lng pare...Smile
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Re: Help po sa f2l recognition.

Post by rommeL28 on Mon Oct 22, 2007 10:05 am

ako nga din matagal sa f2l eh, hehe. ginagawa ko pag inaayos ko na yung 1 side, tinitignan ko na agad yung kasunod na pwedeng buuin. para di na ko maghahanap
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Re: Help po sa f2l recognition.

Post by isaganiesteron on Mon Oct 22, 2007 12:16 pm

slow down while doing the f2l, like slow motion talaga.. dont watch the the cubies while executing the f2l cases because you already know the execution, so you really dont even need to look at it, instead look for the next corner and edge, do this slowly.. it really works, it makes you see whats happening to the other cubies during certain f2l cases...
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Re: Help po sa f2l recognition.

Post by benjediman on Mon Oct 22, 2007 12:40 pm

wow pajo! kayang kaya mo n pla ang mag sub 20! just improve f2l n lng hehe ! onga ako nahihirapanrin, kung nakikita ko ung mga videos s youtube i always wonder how they can recognize it n parang without thinking Razz

pero tama naman si gani, since dapat u dont need to think to execute an f2l move, use that time to look for your next pair Smile im still not used to it, pero f2l is still my top priority Smile
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Re: Help po sa f2l recognition.

Post by isaganiesteron on Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:12 pm

yeah, sila harris chan, yu nakajima and gungz are so fast sa f2l.. parang full speed na nila yung sa f2l nila... i wish i could use full speed sa f2l ko, pag finullspeed ko kase f2l ko masmabagal.. kase hinde siya fluid movements.. tipong, may mga pauses in between...
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Re: Help po sa f2l recognition.

Post by mrvivi80 on Mon Oct 22, 2007 2:35 pm

ako sa cross nsa 6sec-9sec ako... kaya tgal ko pa din sa f2l nsa 25+ help po .. ok lang kahit sa cross making

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Re: Help po sa f2l recognition.

Post by isaganiesteron on Mon Oct 22, 2007 2:52 pm

wala akong mga tips sa cross making eh... you have to make the cross visually eh, in seven moves or less...
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Re: Help po sa f2l recognition.

Post by pajodaep on Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:10 pm

benjediman wrote:wow pajo! kayang kaya mo n pla ang mag sub 20! just improve f2l n lng hehe ! onga ako nahihirapanrin, kung nakikita ko ung mga videos s youtube i always wonder how they can recognize it n parang without thinking Razz

pero tama naman si gani, since dapat u dont need to think to execute an f2l move, use that time to look for your next pair Smile im still not used to it, pero f2l is still my top priority Smile

clarify ko lang po...

when i mentioned, " f2l average is around 13-15 secs," di kasama yung cross dun. yun lang yung pag-insert ng edge-corner. kaya di pa po ako sub-20.

i'm having trouble sa recognition dun sa pag-insert nung edge-corner sa f2l. yung cross ko, i'm getting faster. ginagawa ko lang yung kagaya nung ginagawa ni makisumi na sini-set-up yung relative positions nung cubes, sa bottom, tapos pag nasa baba na yung lahat ng cross cubies, orient the cross using a D-move.

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Re: Help po sa f2l recognition.

Post by rommeL28 on Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:31 pm

gawin mo po habang binubuo mo na yung 1 corner, hanapin mo na din yung kasunod. kasi time consuming pag tapos mo mabuo 1 corner, chaka mo palang hahanapin yung kasunod na bubuuin. hehe
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Re: Help po sa f2l recognition.

Post by isaganiesteron on Mon Oct 22, 2007 4:41 pm

pajodaep wrote:

i'm having trouble sa recognition dun sa pag-insert nung edge-corner sa f2l. yung cross ko, i'm getting faster. ginagawa ko lang yung kagaya nung ginagawa ni makisumi na sini-set-up yung relative positions nung cubes, sa bottom, tapos pag nasa baba na yung lahat ng cross cubies, orient the cross using a D-move.

yeah, thats good.. ganyan rin ginagawa ko, i usually look for the first corner and edge pice while im doing the D-move, and not always during the inpection.. with the f2l, find ateast one corner then its edge, if its not on the U layer then obviously its in one of the slots, then you would just pick it up from the slot, "pick-up" because that not where it belongs.. its good to understand f2l cases so you can pick-up edges in wrong slots and drop them in their right slot.. thats one thing that i think is very important but ive never read it in really good cubers websites..
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Re: Help po sa f2l recognition.

Post by hopelessvain on Mon Oct 22, 2007 5:27 pm

my average for cross-f2l is 16s. tpos takes me a second or two to recognize the OLL. i perform OLL for 4 to 5 seconds. then PLL not more then 4 seconds. that's what makes my 23seconds average. wahaha. slow.

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Re: Help po sa f2l recognition.

Post by hopelessvain on Mon Oct 22, 2007 5:30 pm

i'll try solving slowly. and perform f2l to one slot at a time. then i'll observe the other cubies' motion.

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Re: Help po sa f2l recognition.

Post by rommeL28 on Mon Oct 22, 2007 8:31 pm

yep tama ka kuya hopelessvain, hehe. ganyan din pnapractice ko ngayon
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Re: Help po sa f2l recognition.

Post by topois on Mon Oct 22, 2007 10:14 pm

wala po ba tlagang way para mapabilis ung cross?? kc ako 11-14 sec pa + f2l kulng kulnag 1 min. tpus oll+pll mga 25 sec, kya ave ko sa 3x3 1:30... tgal sobra... wa pa nman masyado tym maghkabisa alogs...graduating na kc T_T hirap pagsabayin... tip's nman jan mga tol! tnx!!
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Re: Help po sa f2l recognition.

Post by hyfly on Mon Oct 22, 2007 10:26 pm

waaaaaaaaaaaa.....

anu po ung f2l?

andami q p plang hindi alam....
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Re: Help po sa f2l recognition.

Post by isaganiesteron on Tue Oct 23, 2007 2:59 am

bibilis lang ang cross making and fast f2l with practice.. yun lang naman talaga eh.. wala namang mga algorithms ang cross, and yung recognition sa tao na yun eh.. so with practice lang


and F2L means first two layer, which come after the cross and before the LL=last layer
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Re: Help po sa f2l recognition.

Post by rommeL28 on Tue Oct 23, 2007 9:28 am

haha, kaya nga, dapat mabilis paghahanap mo ng mga kulay
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Re: Help po sa f2l recognition.

Post by geocine on Fri Nov 09, 2007 12:32 am

pede po magtanong kay kuya gani at pajo..

ano po yung D-move.. elaborate
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Re: Help po sa f2l recognition.

Post by geocine on Fri Nov 09, 2007 12:37 am

@hyfly

first two layers, see the green parts, those are the 4 f2l.



there are 41 cases of the first two layers... on how two insert both edge and corner pieces

study
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Re: Help po sa f2l recognition.

Post by van21691 on Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:08 am

i can't recognize f2l that fast
but i make the cross less than 5
30 seconds to finish f2l, then the rest oll, and pll
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Re: Help po sa f2l recognition.

Post by cmdsaved on Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:30 am

naku kelangan ko na talagan bagalan pag solve lagi kasi akong nanggigigil e bka kaya hindi ako masyadong nagiimprove hehe.

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Re: Help po sa f2l recognition.

Post by greatauror28 on Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:47 am

ako less than 5 sec n cross ko...tpos F2L ko around 5 sec each pair pa, kc 12 pa lng na connected kabisado ko...less than 10 sec sakin ung LL...

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Re: Help po sa f2l recognition.

Post by rommeL28 on Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:42 pm

nagtatagal din ako sa f2l eh, haha.
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