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Post by jr_orata Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:04 am

cnimulan ko na po ung coll peo may mga case na walang formula, like ung recognition piece eh pareho sa case na alam mo, peo pag cnolve mu na, d pa rin mabubuo, pero ung pll, laging tama na ung mga corners. like U perm, and H perms lagi ung lulmalabas.

example sa sa U case (bob burton) sabi niya 6 cases, pero actually more than ten na ung nakikita kong case na talgang magkakaiba. Help naman po, kasi talgang naguguluhan aq. hehe Question No
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Post by jr_orata Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:06 am

meron po bang mga cases ung 7 cases sa orientation na di pwedeng gamitan ng coll
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Post by wawell24 Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:41 am

bro..double posting..

pde mo nmn po i edit ung thread mo..

-hmmm..ako?gmit ko ung kay dan..mas mdli intndihin at simple ung mga algs nya..

-teka..dko msyado gets tnong mo eh..hhehe..

-bka mali ung nka face seo kaya d nabubuo?
pg dmo alm ung lmbas,gwin mo lng mga algs n alm mo hanggang lumabas n ung alm mo..
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Post by Jome Tue Apr 08, 2008 1:49 pm

@jr_orata

Double post, dude. Iwasan mo. Notorious ka sa ganyan.

Lahat ng cases ng COLL, nasa site ni Leyan Lo. Since di ko rin talaga maintindihan kung anong gusto mong itanong, just check this site: http://www.stanford.edu/~leyanlo/coll.htm

Yan na lahat ng cases for COLL. And ang COLL nga pala, they don't really skip the PLL. They just give a higher probability of a skip. And they always produce an edge PLL (H, Z, and U).

Baka ang iniisip mo, ZBLL. ZBLL lang ang may ganung property (OLL + PLL) and sobrang iba niya sa COLL.
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Post by cubecubecube Tue Apr 08, 2008 5:51 pm

tama yung ginagawa mo sa coll. edge plls talaga yung lalabas. COLL=Corners + OLL
kung gusto mo mabuo na agad aralin mo yung ZBLL.

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Post by jr_orata Wed Apr 09, 2008 1:12 pm

sorry po

well, stop ko na rin ung coll, nalilito lang aq
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Post by jusay_mitch29 Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:20 pm

is zbll and coll really recommendable kasi ang pagkaka alam ko pag coll laging maay cross figure ung oll...
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Post by Jome Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:25 pm

Cross OLL's have easy execution, but except for Sune, most of them are slow. The fastest and easiest OLLs aren't cross based.

And no, COLL and ZB are not recommendable for the simple reason that they require massive amounts of experience to thoroughly master. Leyan Lo says that COLL is slow, and that it's even faster to execute OLL and PLL. There are really just some cases in COLL that can skip PLL altogether, but not always.

ZB on the other hand is just plain crazy. Crazy.
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Post by jusay_mitch29 Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:40 pm

hekhekhek bkit naman post link pls... anu po ba yun as in skip lagi
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Post by cubecubecube Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:44 pm

hindi naman palagi. tsaka walang recommendable na methods, etc. depende yun sayo kung ano gusto mo gawin. hehe

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Post by jr_orata Fri Apr 11, 2008 11:21 am

but i suggest to stop learning it... hehehe malilito naman kayo,

saka di naman po siya 100% skip sa PLL and 7 cases lang po out of 57 cases sa orientation ang pwede.

at saka, hehehe, ung 7 cases na pwede COLL hindi rin 100% na maiiskpip ung PLL, so ang liit ng chance.

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Post by chaos2121 Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:09 pm

sobrang liit din pla ng chance for skipping pll ganon pla

balak ko panamn mg aral ng COLL at ZBF2L

pero nong nkita ko nga mukhang nkakalito nga hahaha
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Post by lorcan Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:46 pm

waaa pare wag k na mag COLL hehe ang bilis mo na kaya! ^______________________^

ayan double post wahahah ^^

adik k pla sa double post heheh

wahuuuu!!!!!!

pusa ayucu mag COLL pno parng khrap dpat ata mas mlupet pa ung matang gngmit mo sa ZBF2l para mgwa yan ng 100% wekeke ewan

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Post by kmcruz09 Tue Apr 22, 2008 8:15 am

You can apply COLL in a 2x2 cube so that your LL is 1look. COLL lang, buo na. ^_^ Actually I was planning to study COLL for an easy LL for 2x2, but I found it hard to, nakakalito kasi. ^^
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Post by cubecubecube Tue Apr 22, 2008 10:49 pm

kmcruz09 wrote:You can apply COLL in a 2x2 cube so that your LL is 1look. COLL lang, buo na. ^_^ Actually I was planning to study COLL for an easy LL for 2x2, but I found it hard to, nakakalito kasi. ^^

kung sa 2x2 mo lang gagamitin CLL na lang aralin mo.

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Post by kmcruz09 Thu Apr 24, 2008 4:42 pm

Pero pag inaral mo ang COLL instead of CLL, dual-function, you can use it in 2x2 or 3x3. Unlike if you study CLL, you can only use it in 2x2.
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Post by chaos2121 Thu Apr 24, 2008 4:52 pm

meron pa pagkakaiba un??

ang alam ko lng kz parang wlang pinagkaiba ung eh hehheh

un lng akin correct me if iam wrong po pero kung ganon COLL

tlga is so hard to memorize hehehe
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Post by kmcruz09 Thu Apr 24, 2008 4:59 pm

Di rin ako sure pero tingin ko wala ding difference. I just assumed that there is since that person (the one whom i quoted) seems to be very confident with his post.
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