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Re: Tredge making sa 5x5

Post by Ardie on Fri May 16, 2008 3:35 pm

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depende namn kasi sa pag scramble and pambuo ng tredges..kaya un..minsan din nangyayari namn sakin na walang parity na nangyayari..

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Practice lang..hangang mawarak ang cube sigurado gagaling ka din..hehehe

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Re: Tredge making sa 5x5

Post by i.luv.cube on Fri May 16, 2008 3:47 pm

pero bago yun, kelangan muna ako magkaroon ng 5x5x5

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Re: Tredge making sa 5x5

Post by countershadow_14 on Fri May 16, 2008 3:58 pm

@ardie
nice!!!! kaw n ang magiging champion s pinas!! hehehehe...

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Re: Tredge making sa 5x5

Post by Erika Gomez on Fri May 16, 2008 5:08 pm

jhameel_killua03 wrote:@Erika Gomez

pano mo ginagawa yung LBL sa 5x5 mo? una mo bang binubuo rin mga centers tapos tredge then solve like a 3x3 cube?

LBL ko sa 5x5 as in "layer by layer" .. example, bubuo ako ng isang kulay ex. white .. hindi yung 9 centers .. as in 25 colors ng white .. then 2nd layer (lahat ng 2nd layer) .. then 3rd later (lahat ng 3rd), then 4th layer (lahat) .. then 5th layer .. 5th layer ko is parang LBL ng 3x3 iniba lang .. ayun .. pag me parity, (sa LBL instead na 3 wings lang maiiwan para tapos na, e dalawa kaya ayun) ,, pag me parity me isang algo ako . iisang algo lang pero mababasag ang 4th at 5th layer. pero after nung isang algo nayun, tapos na .. pag inayus ko, wala nang parity .. =))

sana nagets mo .. magulo nga e .. kumplikado ..
pero wala kang maabot sa LBL ng 5x5 kung di ka kasing galing ng fingertricks ni nakajima .. kaya ako hndi bababa ng 5 mins ang time .. 8 mins. na pb ko dun .. haaaay lang kwenta pero masaya .. =))

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Re: Tredge making sa 5x5

Post by sirian23 on Fri May 16, 2008 6:02 pm

Erika Gomez wrote:
jhameel_killua03 wrote:@Erika Gomez

pano mo ginagawa yung LBL sa 5x5 mo? una mo bang binubuo rin mga centers tapos tredge then solve like a 3x3 cube?

LBL ko sa 5x5 as in "layer by layer" .. example, bubuo ako ng isang kulay ex. white .. hindi yung 9 centers .. as in 25 colors ng white .. then 2nd layer (lahat ng 2nd layer) .. then 3rd later (lahat ng 3rd), then 4th layer (lahat) .. then 5th layer .. 5th layer ko is parang LBL ng 3x3 iniba lang .. ayun .. pag me parity, (sa LBL instead na 3 wings lang maiiwan para tapos na, e dalawa kaya ayun) ,, pag me parity me isang algo ako . iisang algo lang pero mababasag ang 4th at 5th layer. pero after nung isang algo nayun, tapos na .. pag inayus ko, wala nang parity .. =))

sana nagets mo .. magulo nga e .. kumplikado ..
pero wala kang maabot sa LBL ng 5x5 kung di ka kasing galing ng fingertricks ni nakajima .. kaya ako hndi bababa ng 5 mins ang time .. 8 mins. na pb ko dun .. haaaay lang kwenta pero masaya .. =))



yo Erika nag LBL ka pala sa 5x5!?! panu un? dte un din yung ginagawa ku nung una kung makuha ung 5x5 cube ko eh.. kala ko LBL pero solve mo muna pala ung centers den paring nung edges.

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Re: Tredge making sa 5x5

Post by Erika Gomez on Fri May 16, 2008 6:09 pm

sirian23 wrote:
yo Erika nag LBL ka pala sa 5x5!?! panu un? dte un din yung ginagawa ku nung una kung makuha ung 5x5 cube ko eh.. kala ko LBL pero solve mo muna pala ung centers den paring nung edges.

ayy, andameng seremonyas ng LBL .. sa rubik's.com na gamit ko pb 8 mins .. normally 10-15 mins .. ewan ko lang pag es .. baka mas bumilis ng onti .. pero iiwan ko rin ang LBL ng 5x5 .. pag-aaralan ko pa yung talagang 5x5 solution .. pero saka na, pag tapos ko na fridrich .. basta, masaya syang gawin KASO di masaya ang oras .. XD ..

(kung pano) ..... madali lang .. pag nagkita tayo pakita ko sayo .. pero magtiyaga sa pagnood kasi insanely matagal pero madali .. kung marunong ka rin ng LBL sa 3x3 WALA kang imememo na algo .. isa lang para dun sa centers .... =))

EDIT: ako lang magtityaga jan .. =)) ..

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Re: Tredge making sa 5x5

Post by jhameel_killua03 on Sun May 18, 2008 11:05 am

@ Erika Gomez

ok ganun pla yun ah.. naintindihan ko na.... well, gud luck sa pagsolve mo sa 5x5 sana bumaba pa tym mo... pero ako ok lng khit mabagal ako sa 5x5 hehehe...Very Happy

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Re: Tredge making sa 5x5

Post by o0sample0o on Sun May 18, 2008 11:25 am

@jhameel_killua03
Rubik's brand po gamit ko lage dati..
tapos ndi pa po lubricated yon..
kya dati po 20mins po tlga ako..
pro 2days after(kinarir ko ata yon msyado)
ayun nakakatsamba na po ako naka sub 10mins.. bounce
tapos nung nilube ko na ng silicone spray..
ayon super nag pa pop nsya pag mabilisan ko syang tine turn..
dpat pla dahandahanin yung mga 4x4 & 5x5 rubik's brand..
original pamandin ang mahal pa...(hex kasi yon tpos pinag tatapon ko pa lalagyan! scratch heheh ndi pa po kc ako member ng PCA nung binilhan ako ng daddy ko ng rubik's 5x5 kya tinira ko lng yung stand.. lol! )
pro bumile narin po ako ng eastsheen 5x5 sa rob manila...
nung friday(may 16)..
mas maganda po pala tlga mga ES pag dating sa 4x4and 5x5..
kaso MALIET... cyclops
pero at least ndi sya nag pa pop..
pang display nlng yung mga rubik's brand ko.. lol!

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Re: Tredge making sa 5x5

Post by jhameel_killua03 on Sun May 18, 2008 12:06 pm

@o0sample0o

wag ka na mag po sakin mas matanda ka po kaya sakin... hehehe... mas maliit nga ang ES sa Rubiks hehehe.... ako naman po di ko naman kinakarir yung 5x5 eh ... sa 3x3 po ako talaga na ka focus... hehehe.....gud luck po .... happy cubing...

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Re: Tredge making sa 5x5

Post by kmcruz09 on Mon May 19, 2008 10:05 pm

Ako ngayon, trip ko ang 5x5. Haha, sub-6mins ave. ko ngayon, kainis, PB 5 min flat. Di ko alam kung pano mapapabilis, gamit kong method yung intermediete trege pairing sa bigcubes.com pero andaming delays, hirap parin sa recognition lalo na sa pink ng ES, kakabili ko lang kasi kahapon ng ES, popper kasi yung Rubik's 5x5 ko. Hehe.

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Re: Tredge making sa 5x5

Post by pangungusap on Tue May 20, 2008 12:26 am

kakabili ko lang rin ng ES 2 weeks ago(my first 5x5)... first solve ko ata e nasa 20-30 mins...ngayon e around 15-20 mins... hirap pa rin ako sa tredges... parang dedges nga muna ako tapos saka ko ilalagay yung isang wing... anyway, mabagal pero masaya....

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Re: Tredge making sa 5x5

Post by kmcruz09 on Tue May 20, 2008 3:02 pm

@Erika
Ganun din gamit ko dati. Galing mo, di ako naka sub-10mins dun. Hehe.

@oOsampleOo
Ikaw yung nagtatanong kung pano yung 2 i's diba? Well ganito, ilagay mo yung isang i sa UF, tapos yung isa naman sa DF in such a way na pag ginawa mo ang (Rr) mabubuo yung tredge na isang i sa UF. So pag ok na gawin mo ito:

[Rr B2] x5

Ayon, tapos 3 i's na. Happy cubing! Smile)

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Re: Tredge making sa 5x5

Post by o0sample0o on Tue May 20, 2008 3:54 pm

@kmcruz09
naalaa ko na po yung algo..
nakalimutan ko lng po kc tgat ko npokc ndi nag 5x5..
iba po yung algo nagamit ko..
ung aken po kc
(dpat po yung 2 i's ay nasa U)
L*' 2U L*' 2U 2F L*' 2F R* 2U R*' 2U 2L*..(L*'=L'l' , R*=Rr)
(sensya po kung mey mali hirap explain eh drunken )
basta po ganyan po ginagamit ko pag mey 2 i's ako...
pag katpos po nyan 3x3 npo...
anyways,, saLamat po sa pagtulong.. Smile

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Re: Tredge making sa 5x5

Post by jolo_mat2008 on Mon Jul 21, 2008 11:18 am

uhmm..sorry for reviving this topic guys..ayoko na kasi magstart ng panibagong thread..pero nagsisimula pa lang ako mag5x5 and currently averaging sub 10 mins..haha..alam ko..kadiri no? pero eniwey..do you know any good tredge making tutorials? kasi ung nakita ko sa youtube..ambagal..pa isa isa..meron akong nakitang tutorial..he pairs 6 pieces at a time ata..pero nd ko talaga maintindihan sobra..so ayun..Smile tnx.

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Re: Tredge making sa 5x5

Post by bonoan1027 on Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:44 pm

Jolo... Arnaud Van Galen has a good tut on tredge making... search mo na lang sa YouTube

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Re: Tredge making sa 5x5

Post by ert_anjo on Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:19 pm

gamit ko sa tredge pairing ung sa 6 pairing sa 4x4.,

kazo hirap ako sa look ahead.,

hirap tlga mghanap.,

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Re: Tredge making sa 5x5

Post by jolo_mat2008 on Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:26 pm

tnx enzo..pnapractice ko na ung asa tuto ni van galen..sub 7 mins na!Smile

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Re: Tredge making sa 5x5

Post by DevilMayCry on Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:48 pm

diba dalwa ang method ng 5x5x5
yung isa 3x3x3 center first
yung isa 1st layer then every tredges tawag yata dito cge method

gamit ko 3x3x3 first eh
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Re: Tredge making sa 5x5

Post by paololzki on Wed Aug 20, 2008 7:33 am

let me revive this again..

i need help. (jolo, enzo??)

do you guys pair up two edges when you can't see where the third one is? or you still continue looking..

btw. where can i get a good tutorial on tredges. I'm pairing them based on the pairing i learned on my 4x4x4. for the last 2 tredges, I studied algs from bigcubes.com. Could you guys post a link on where there's a good tutorial on tredges making. Smile

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Re: Tredge making sa 5x5

Post by popoy on Wed Aug 20, 2008 9:35 am

bonoan1027 wrote:Jolo... Arnaud Van Galen has a good tut on tredge making... search mo na lang sa YouTube

ahihihi i also learned from him ^^ ahihih i only learned it overnight ^^ very easy to understand and also i like his accent ^^ hekhek

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Re: Tredge making sa 5x5

Post by paololzki on Wed Aug 20, 2008 11:30 am

popoy wrote:
bonoan1027 wrote:Jolo... Arnaud Van Galen has a good tut on tredge making... search mo na lang sa YouTube

ahihihi i also learned from him ^^ ahihih i only learned it overnight ^^ very easy to understand and also i like his accent ^^ hekhek

how silly, di ko nabasa. XD thanks thanks..

mukhang effective siya.. sabi ni jolo 10mins daw siya before. ngaun sub 4 na siya. hehe... me likey~ Very Happy

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Re: Tredge making sa 5x5

Post by jolo_mat2008 on Wed Aug 20, 2008 4:05 pm

paololzki wrote:where can i get a good tutorial on tredges.
many thanks

kuya paolo try arnaud van galen's turorial (as mentioned by enzo) kasi his method is really faster and really easy to learn..Smile parang..you pair up two centeredge+wingedge pairs at a time..Smile i understood this method in like 5 mins after watching the video..haha..Smile

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Re: Tredge making sa 5x5

Post by paololzki on Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:24 am

jolo_mat2008 wrote:
paololzki wrote:where can i get a good tutorial on tredges.
many thanks

kuya paolo try arnaud van galen's turorial (as mentioned by enzo) kasi his method is really faster and really easy to learn..Smile parang..you pair up two centeredge+wingedge pairs at a time..Smile i understood this method in like 5 mins after watching the video..haha..Smile

yeah i heard. i mean read. Very Happy ill look into it as soon as i am free. thanks.

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Re: Tredge making sa 5x5

Post by bonoan1027 on Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:21 pm

@paololzki (and to everyone else who is asking me about the 5x5 tredge pairing method i use)

pao, when nag-race tayo, I realized from what you were doing that your slice moves are horizontal... in my opinion.. masyadong mabagal ito... kasi... for me, this is only good if the tredge pairing method you use is somewhat like 6 gen in 4x4... the E layer is used in making tredges... pero since chain method (1 tredge and 1 semi pair at a time), masyadong mahirap mag look ahead since you will have to be looking at the U layer and the D layer usually...

To sum it all up... I find it more efficient to do the tredges on the U layer... so that when you do your slice move, you do a l' or l or r or r' move. This is more efficient since look ahead will be easier.

I'm sorry if you think I am contradicting myself but I used to be doing what Arnaud Van Galen does but I switched to this one

this is also what Erik Akkersdijk (Big Cubes Master) uses
here's a link
part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6hmvCbNkpg
part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iIjaNlpeF4&feature=related

this what I do... if any of you have a better idea for tredge pairing in 5x5 or if you don't agree with what I say, please share Very Happy


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Re: Tredge making sa 5x5

Post by paololzki on Sat Sep 20, 2008 11:32 pm

bonoan1027 wrote:@paololzki (and to everyone else who is asking me about the 5x5 tredge pairing method i use)

pao, when nag-race tayo, I realized from what you were doing that your slice moves are horizontal... in my opinion.. masyadong mabagal ito... kasi... for me, this is only good if the tredge pairing method you use is somewhat like 6 gen in 4x4... the E layer is used in making tredges... pero since chain method (1 tredge and 1 semi pair at a time), masyadong mahirap mag look ahead since you will have to be looking at the U layer and the D layer usually...

To sum it all up... I find it more efficient to do the tredges on the U layer... so that when you do your slice move, you do a l' or l or r or r' move. This is more efficient since look ahead will be easier.

I'm sorry if you think I am contradicting myself but I used to be doing what Arnaud Van Galen does but I switched to this one

this is also what Erik Akkersdijk (Big Cubes Master) uses
here's a link
part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6hmvCbNkpg
part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iIjaNlpeF4&feature=related

this what I do... if any of you have a better idea for tredge pairing in 5x5 or if you don't agree with what I say, please share Very Happy

thanks enzo, I actually know this myself. I've started practicing doing it vertically. This way it would also help me with even bigger cubes. (6x6 and 7x7). Thanks enzo Smile although i'm thinking of using nakajima's pairing technique. i just need a good tutorial on how to solve the last for tredges.

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